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Vigilante024
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[quote="mandichan]In otherwords, Japan has really messed up censorship laws that make no sense
 I was told they changed a bit lately, but apparently it still is just as crazy as ever.[/quote]
I just don't understand it...there can't be manga that's "too realistic" or whatever... but have you ever seen some of the sculptures that have come out of Japan?? Mostly referring to Takashi Murakami's works...like "My Lonesome Cowboy" or "Hiropon"...I mean those are just messed up... warning...if you look for these images...there is nudity...and "other" stuff going on...incase people are at work or something... |
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BrianRuh
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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Well, you've got to delve into Political philosophy for that one. In a nutshell (this is the Lockeian sense, the one used in the US), the framers and participants of the social contract define and enumerate what forms of activity are not conducive to the functioning of the particular social compact. Since Japan's constitution is based upon ours, i'd wager the same reasoning was used. So.... the answer is "Who defines what is obscene in Japan?" A: The Japanese. |
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Proman
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Well, not every Japanease (as it should be, meaning draws a line at what he considers to be obscene by himself). |
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RantingOtaku
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"The presiding judge in the case gave the fact that "there was little attention paid to concealment of genitalia" while "bodies were drawn in a lifelike manner" as the reason for the sentence."
even after reading the article, I still kinda laughed.... "concealment" - ummm, little black bars that cover about 2% of 
"lifelike manner" - if I didn't see it in black and white, and/or knew it was CG colorized, some I could swear were real |
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Aaron White
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Lolita is my favorite novel. Anyway, it was actually written in English, but first published in France by the infamous Olympia Press, which mostly published erotica/porn. The novel is about a middle-aged man who falls in love with a twelve-year-old girl. There are two movie versions, both of which are good, but neither of which could hope to live up to the book. The book certainly isn't pornographic or pro-pedophilia, but is widely acclaimed as a masterpiece. It did, however, popularize the use of the name Lolita in reference to sexy underage girls, which is ironic because in the book Lolita isn't sexy per se; she's just the object of a man's desire. There's also a crappy play version by Edward Albee, who has written excellent plays but botched Lolita. |
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Zeiram
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It seems to me this is a debate between chaos and order, anarchy and law.
Think about it, a line is either drawn or not. Yes I enjoy the freedom of material in Japan over our supposive freedom in America, but a law is a law no matter how small. To trip over a twig or a log shouldn't matter. One can only forgive so much. If he indeed break a law provided then he should be fined/punished how ever is best for the situation. Myself I dun care if it's lolita or a hamburger Yiffing a milk shake (not that i'd ever look at em, just that I don't mind them viewed/bought/sold/made in a safe environment). I prefer Yuriness myself. I've nuthen against Yaoi mind ya. |
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Mohawk52
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Well like I said this judge is obviously using this case as a precedence to see how far it will go with the Supreme Court. If the SC throws it out the conviction will have to be quashed. if it goes through with it being upheld the producers and publishers will be diving for cover real quick and the judge will be smiling all the way to his retirement, maybe even get a place on the SC himself before that.
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ZBrass
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I read the news report on BBC via the link from ANN, and they labled manga as common obscene material. That's absurd. East Asian culture is depicted in anime and manga as it is. In fact, most European coutries have little to no restrictions on material. I know some people who were staying at a hotel in London last year and had free access to all kinds of "obscene materials".
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Zeiram
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let's email the bbc! Must stop stereotyping1
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RyoShin X
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As I understand it, and I could be wrong, the Japanese take a very different view on sexuality than Americans (one of the most conservative nations on that subject).
Apparently, the Japanese have nothing wrong with breasts. I've been told it isn't uncommon for the female chest to be shown nude on daytime TV (mainly soap operas), whereas in American you have the bra or towel or something. I assume that's because they feel that breasts on females are only different from breasts on males in shape and that they can be used to fee children. However, they take a grave alter-stance on nudity below the waste. While the buttocks is alright for public viewing, anything in the nether-region is absolutely barred. I can't fathom on why there's the turnabout, but this is why the 'older' manga/hentai has blurred areas, barred areas, or even areas with no 'detail'. This is a side reason for tentacle rape being so popular over there, since the tentacles can represent manhood without the need to bar them. Again, these are things I've learned/been told over a few years, and I haven't really done my own research on the topic, so take it with a grain of salt. |
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Anime_Freak
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Here here! Stereotyping in general is bad for anime, and otaku alike. |
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Lost_Toys
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Show me where they labled manga as "common obscene material." From the newslink, they said this: "About 45% of all books and periodicals sold in Japan are manga. They often contain sexual material" and "There is so much pornography available in Japan in every form - in films, computer games, cartoons and famously manga and anime - those books of cartoons you can see men reading openly on the train everyday," he told the East Asia Today programme. Nowhere within the framework of the article is there a sentance where they damn the moral integrety of manga. Don't bother the BBC witht your blatter, because it is not needed in this case. As far as the judgement is concerned, I will have to get a copy of the manga and read it before I can give a verdict on this subject. Another issue that has to be taken into account is where, and how, this manga was distributed. If you look into the constitution of Japan [I would recommend taking Asian Law classes in college] there are articles which directly effect what can and cannot be distributed. As with American law, they are obviously ambigious, meaning that the court is the one with final prudance. In this case, the court found this material to be against Article 175. |
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Tempest
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Your understanding of the issue is not quite spot on. Japanese people still see female breasts in a very similar manner as North Americans. Most Japanese men will react the same way when they are shown a women's breasts that a North American man would in the same circumstances (the exact reaction will very from person to person of course... teenagers are likely to explode on the spot). But they are much more liberal in terms of what can be shown on television and other media than the United States is. For starters, non-sexual nudity of children is always considered perfectly okay. Take for example the nudity you will see in many children's anime and manga. Additionally, harmless above the waist nudity of adult women is permitted in the media. But you won't see Japanese women walking around topless on a hot day or at the beach... Two things that are big hang-ups are adult male genitilia and pubic hair. They've loosened up about Pubic hair in the past couple of years, but the depiction of pubic hair and the genitals is generally considerd obscene by law. Professinal Japanese pornography always censors that stuff out (live, manga and anime). Doujin type pron general leaves everything in though, and I suspect that this case was in relation to something of the sort. Another completely unrelated place that they are very different in terms of their laws an what not has to do with the age of consent. The age on consent you probably all know is 18 in the United States, but it's 14 in Japan (it's also 14 in Canada by the way). However prostitution, while rampant, is illegal. -t |
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ShellBullet
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Well, if it was promoting pedophilia it was obscene. While ( libertarian that I am) I don't like to see government censorship, there is no excuse for manga that glorifies sex with little kids. |
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