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Ganryu
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:55 pm
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Sketchee wrote: |
animalia555 wrote: | It is stuf like this that makes honest fans like me turn to bootlegs. |
No, honest fans have self-responsibility and realize that no one can "make" them turn to bootlegs. They make that choice for themselves. |
Entirely logical line of though:
1: "I want X"
2: "No company provides X"
3: "I'll get X illegally"
This is obviously assuming that product X is legal (ie not child porn, not drugs, etc. etc). Anime is legal, so it pretty much makes sense to get what you can't buy legally (because no one is selling it anyway) from alternative sources instead.
In my example above we can assume that the company produces Y which is a watered down version of X. Most sane people will see no problem pirating something that they cannot get their hands on legally anyway because "If they won't sell me, i'll copy it". After all, they're refusing to sell you what you want.
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All Arrembaggio
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:48 pm
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I think the awful box art was meant to attract naive children. As you can tell, it is filled with splashes of yellow, red and blue, to create an effect that stands out due to the clashing of colors.
They'll say, "Ooh One Piece, pretty colors! Mom can I buy this?"
I hope I'm underestimating kids these days, but I wouldn't be surprised if SOME were like that.
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Sketchee
Joined: 22 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:00 pm
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Ganryu wrote: |
Entirely logical line of though:
1: "I want X"
2: "No company provides X"
3: "I'll get X illegally"
This is obviously assuming that product X is legal (ie not child porn, not drugs, etc. etc). Anime is legal, so it pretty much makes sense to get what you can't buy legally (because no one is selling it anyway) from alternative sources instead.
In my example above we can assume that the company produces Y which is a watered down version of X. Most sane people will see no problem pirating something that they cannot get their hands on legally anyway because "If they won't sell me, i'll copy it". After all, they're refusing to sell you what you want. |
Great. You can buy imports.
Still, no one is "forcing" you to do something illegal. If you can't get what you want, it's perfectly legitimate to well, not always get what you want. That is the choice you make. That is also am alternative to your #3.
Anime obtained illegally is legal? Bootlegs are illegal. If I write a book and don't provide a copy of it for you to read, that doesn't mean someone else can post it on their website for you to read. You just don't get to read it. If you decide to obtain the illegal copy, fine but that doesn't justify it just because you "want it"
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Necros Antiquor
Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:46 pm
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Yashouzoid wrote: | 2) Said that Pokemon uncut would come out as far back as 2002. |
Does the world need an uncut Pokemon? Seriously, other than the name changes and culture changes, the series has been not heavily edited. I just dont' see where the demand comes for an uncut version of such a tame show. I could see maybe doing uncut versions of the somewhat-darker movies, but the TV show? What's the point?
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penguintruth
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:34 pm
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Necros Antiquor wrote: |
Yashouzoid wrote: | 2) Said that Pokemon uncut would come out as far back as 2002. |
Does the world need an uncut Pokemon? Seriously, other than the name changes and culture changes, the series has been not heavily edited. I just don't' see where the demand comes for an uncut version of such a tame show. I could see maybe doing uncut versions of the somewhat-darker movies, but the TV show? What's the point? |
Apparently this is:
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championferret
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:45 pm
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Ugh, One Piece is getting the shit treatment from american companies. VIZ are almost as bad as 4kids, the horrible piratey dialogue and general toning down of the text, not to mention those HIDEOUS english sound effects, were far than more enough to make me resort to the japanese books, which we now own 1-16 of, as opposed to the people still buying the Shonen Jump version and thinking they're 'way far into the story!' when they only have volumes 1-6 and since One Piece has currently reached 38 volumes and VIZ releases around 3, 4 books a year....well, you do the maths.
That cover art IS the worst I have ever seen. It almost makes the english shonen jump covers look decent.
But the think that pisses me off the MOST is the fact that they're written 'Shonen Jump's One Piece'. Um, hello, it isnt. It's '4kids shit-tastic crappy empty shell that used to be One Piece before our dirty editing hands got to it.'
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CaptainRisu
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:41 pm
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championferret wrote: | not to mention those HIDEOUS english sound effects |
idk, some of the origional sounds effects are no better ::thinks of generic swallowing sound used for every character in show::
and as for obtaining one piece illegally... i'm not saying it's right or wrong... but i'd rather watch one piece for free via the internet than support companies doing a bad job or bootleggers who don't deserve the money. hell, give me eiichiro oda's house address and i'll gladdly send him a check worth all the fansubs i've downloaded.
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championferret
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:57 pm
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So you're saying you like those unbelievably asthetically unpleasing english sound effects obscuring and ruining the original artwork?
It's not just the fact that the art has to be edited and ruined, its also the SFX in general, so many sounds you can only express in japanese and sound so ultimately...dumb in english. Like Doki doki, waku waku, totetotetote,gogogogogo etc...
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CaptainRisu
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:03 pm
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championferret wrote: | So you're saying you like those unbelievably asthetically unpleasing english sound effects obscuring and ruining the original artwork?
It's not just the fact that the art has to be edited and ruined, its also the SFX in general, so many sounds you can only express in japanese and sound so ultimately...dumb in english. Like Doki doki, waku waku, totetotetote,gogogogogo etc... |
hehe i'm not saying the english SFX are better... i'm just stating that some of the one piece effects were pretty bad. i get what you're saying though.
one of the things that bugs me the most is how the entire sountrack was rewritten... and it doesn't sound better... it all sounds uninteresting and the same.
::sighs::
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CaptainRisu
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:07 pm
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wait i lied.
ur talking about the manga, i was talking about the anime.
NOW i get what you're talking about.
and yes, it does look hideous.
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championferret
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:19 pm
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CaptainRisu wrote: | wait i lied.
ur talking about the manga, i was talking about the anime.
NOW i get what you're talking about.
and yes, it does look hideous. |
Glad that was cleared up then. I was wondering what you were talking about, too. ^^'
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Emerje
Joined: 10 Aug 2002
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:41 am
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Yashouzoid wrote: |
1) Promised One Piece to get a minimal edit treatment. |
I've never heard this, certainly not in those words. Can you find where they've stated this?
Quote: | 2) Said that Pokemon uncut would come out as far back as 2002. |
Now this I don't believe at all. They've always firmly stated that Pokemon was a childrens show that could not support uncut sales. I've never heard them state otherwise and I've never heard of anyone pointing to such a thing when begging for the show uncut.
Quote: | 3) Pretty much promised that One Piece would keep the original theme song. |
Why, because they used it in their preview? I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean anything.
Quote: | 4) Said that all of their shows will get uncut versions. |
Geeze, they just said that a couple months ago, give them time.
Quote: | 5) Delayed uncut DVDs for the sole purpose of pissing people off. They announced "Pai Long Attacks!" for a February 22nd date, and "Black Flame - Red Eyes Black Dragon" and "Ryu is Possessed" for an April 5th date, WHY THE HELL AREN'T THEY ON MY SHELF? |
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly why they did that, and I guess that's why Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children didn't come out last year, because S-E and every other company just loves to piss everyone off. Or it could be because FUNimation is doing the release and their schedule is already booked solid as it is, delays happen. Besides, they said they were going to release uncut DVDs, and they released uncut DVDs, but they never said they'd get the entire series out on DVD. Also consider that if the sales have been as poor as people are saying they could be pushing the DVDs back because the interest isn't there and there's no reason to make them a priority (most likely).
Quote: | 4Kids is the only anime company in the industry that's doing everything ass backwards. Don't say they're not an anime company, they can't bullshit on saying that their shows are American like they could with Pokemon and YGO. |
Well, guess what, they aren't an anime company. They don't need you or your money, anything they do outside of TV and kid products is pure bonus.
Emerje
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Haiseikoh 1973
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:24 am
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penguintruth wrote: |
Necros Antiquor wrote: |
Yashouzoid wrote: | 2) Said that Pokemon uncut would come out as far back as 2002. |
Does the world need an uncut Pokemon? Seriously, other than the name changes and culture changes, the series has been not heavily edited. I just don't' see where the demand comes for an uncut version of such a tame show. I could see maybe doing uncut versions of the somewhat-darker movies, but the TV show? What's the point? |
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Ooo, me rikey.
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Haiseikoh 1973
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:27 am
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championferret wrote: |
But the think that pisses me off the MOST is the fact that they're written 'Shonen Jump's One Piece'. Um, hello, it isnt. It's '4kids shit-tastic crappy empty shell that used to be One Piece before our dirty editing hands got to it.' |
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Godaistudios
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:39 am
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Hasn't that comic been posted enough already?
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