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Xorasor
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It wasn't about the show, or being tired of discussion about sexism involved vis a vis the show's reception, fan base, etc. that I felt you were being hypocritical about. All that is fair and understandable. It felt like you were complaining about the arguments about sexism that had continually popped up on ANN lately, and then proceeded to do pretty much everything that would create another one (spending multiple paragraphs solely devoted to the offhand statement, mocking Chagen by both questioning his motives for bringing the statement up and then mocking the idea that his claim could ever have any veracity in the first place, and then imply that you feel he is employing misandry).
*Shrug* Not that big a deal, just saw that and must admit thought the whole thing was rather humorous. Let's just move on. |
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musouka
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Since someone else bumped the post (to make a whiny appeal to Stop Talking About Things when he could just as easily Stop Reading About Things) I wanted to point this out.
One hundred spaces is about on par with an average Studio You "[series] only event". Even just looking at their site, so called "heavy hitters" like Hetalia and Yu-gi-oh only get two hundred spaces. (The mega-popular Inazuma Eleven gets five hundred.) A hundred isn't bad at all for something that hasn't aired yet. It's the same as their UtaPuri event, for example. |
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Chagen46
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Well, Apollo-Kun, you see--
NOPE I don't debate with people I disagree with politically who believe that misandry exists when it's a fiction made up by their whiny minds. But by the way:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:The_Most_Common_Misogynistic_Tactics#Stop_Using_Buzzwords |
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Apollo-kun
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That being said, I do think women who view men as inferior and treat them as objects do exist, and the only term that I can label that with is misandry. It's not a widespread epidemic, like so many ill-informed people on Reddit contend, but I do think that it exists in isolated cases. Saying that it doesn't is turning a blind eye. As for the wiki link you sent me, I knew what patriarchy was to begin with. I've done much more than "10 minutes of research" on it, and I do think that some further explanation on your part would be beneficial. For example, instead of "this happens because patriarchy", you could point to Japan's skewed gender dynamics, the disturbing trend of lashing against female anime fans, etc, etc. I think that patriarchy was just too vague of a term to defend your position. That being said, if you genuinely and wholeheartedly believe that to be the one and only contributing factor to the plight of female anime fandom, then more power to you. But I'm not going to casually lie back and let you accuse me of sexism, especially those infantile misogynists who advocate for "Men's Rights", when the problem with the world today is that men have too many rights (as a man, that's something I hate to admit, but its true; men have it too well off, in my opinion.) I'm sorry if I came across as an a person I disagree with politically, because nothing could be further from the truth. I doubt I'd be friends with any of the people I am if I was... EDIT: Also, thanks for that wiki link. As a writer, it's really cool to have such a big database on topics that I care about at my disposal. |
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Chagen46
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I'm sory fo presuming, but "misandry" is a dog whistle used by people I disagree with politically and after a while of debating with them it becomes a habit.
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Apollo-kun
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I realize I was being flippant and rude to begin with, and I sincerely apologize. Bad day. |
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BonusStage
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Can I ask how old you are? Have you never heard of people like Valerie Solanas and Andrea Dworkin? Hatred goes both ways and saying misandry doesn't exist is ignorant. One race or gender is not excluded from being hated. there's bigots for everything out there. Please stop giving people who consider themselves also feminists bad reputations with this kind of talk. I would appreciate it. |
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Hamu
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Well said. 100% agree. |
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Chagen46
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They are one-off wackjobs. Stop using them to slander all feminists. Misandry as people I disagree with politically define it is this massive feminist conspiracy to murder all men that all women are a part of. Second, Misandry cannot exist by default, as it requires the hater to be above the hated in status and class in society. Also: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:The_Most_Common_Misogynistic_Tactics#See.2C_All_Feminists_Are_Assholes Wow, I'm glad I wrote this article. 17, by the way. |
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Xorasor
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Well, if you guys REALLY want to get into this...
The heck does his age have to do with anything, unless you're setting up for an ad-hominem?
So we're going to commit an equivocation fallacy, based off the actions of radicals that are dismissed among the entire mainstream feminist community (although I have to ask: have you actually read anything Dworkin has written, or are we talking about Straw Dworkin here?), and people that are a sad case study in how horrible, horrific backgrounds can lead to mental problems and instability; who happen to also be feminists. If you want, I can start listing off prominent/respected misogynists. We'll kind of be here a while though. EDIT: Bah, Chagen beat me to it. |
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Polycell
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Chagen46
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Misandry, as an institutionalized cultural practice equivalent to misogyny, does not and cannot exist.
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Polycell
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musouka
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It has nothing to do with the idea that women cannot be prejudiced against men--they can--and everything to do with the idea of the effect any such prejudice would have. Which is pretty much zip, except for your hurt feelings. In other words, we can talk about misandry when women are in a higher place of sociological power than men, and can impact their lives negatively with the force of that hatred on a societal level. |
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danilo07
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You are wrongly interpreting him.Yes some women hate men,that is undeniable,however it seems sociologists these only define sexism and racism based on unprivileged and privileged groups.For example,racism against white people is impossible since white people are institutionally privileged group,it is the same with sexism.Though really Chagen46 is not a sociologist,so he should stop using this definition in his own way.It is quite irritating actually. |
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