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leafy sea dragon
Posts: 7163 Location: Another Kingdom |
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Yeah, that's the impression I've always had--the people Crunchyroll are competing with are speedsubbers. The two parties are in competition over the people who want their anime as soon as possible. That being said, I think many are aware of translation and transliteration errors, no matter how egregious. These viewers are watching so as not to fall behind their friends and to be able to participate in their discussion. I've been in some of these groups, who shunned me in not watching some show the day the subs came up, and I'm sure this wasn't the only such group in existence.
There was an Answerman column some time back where someone asked this. Flash/Animate is used, it seems, because it's easier to implement security and copy-protection on it than the alternatives. For companies who have suffered a great deal of piracy, this is a make-or-break factor.
I've read e-mails and text messages from people who use textspeak and are company executives. It may be an effect of laziness, an effect of rushedness, or a product of back when phone companies charged by the letter.
Wait until they actually have to work for a living. Then they'll understand why adults are always making compromises.
Maybe that notion from the 90's still exists in some people's heads that fansubbers are inherently better than anyoe who's gone official (and that includes fansubbers who are hired to be official translators). So they're either willing to forgive any errors they find as long as it comes from a fansubber, or if they're more extremist about it, accept anything the fansubbers write as gospel. |
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peno
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Really? Copy-protection that can't prevent from Crynchyroll rips to appear on illegal sites almost the moment they are at CR anyway? What's the point of applying already broken protection over better service for your customers? |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 7580 Location: Wales |
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I've reported subtitle errors to Crunchyroll and had them corrected.
I haven't done this much in a long time since, when not watching on a PC where there is a handy reporting link right on the page (I haven't looked back once since switching to the Playstation app, since it is both more convenient and more reliable), it is a huge hassle. It looks like the last time I submitted an error and got a actual response back to say it would be corrected was back in 2012 mind. |
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yuna49
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It's not up to Crunchyroll. It's because the rights holders require some form of DRM no matter how broken. Why do so many people continue to think licensors like CR and Funi call the shots when all the power resides with the Japanese rights holders?
I don't follow fansubbing much any more, but my sense is that only rip-off groups like Horrible are speed subbing in English nowadays. What few fansubbing groups remain hold themselves to a higher standard and take longer as a result. In the past I could wait for weeks and sometimes months to get a fansubbed version of an arcane show like Oh! Edo Rocket or Hyouge Mono. Reliable subbing groups tried to get their shows out in the same week as it aired in Japan if there was sufficient demand.
Kemono no Sou-ja Erin is a particularly atrocious example. It was one of the first shows CR subbed, and their translators sometimes didn't even get the genders correct. (Yes, I know that Japanese often doesn't specify gender, but it was usually obvious from context.) It's one of the few shows where I would unequivocally recommend watching the fansub over the CR version. |
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Alan45
Village Elder
Posts: 9954 Location: Virginia |
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Of course, the bottom line is that Crunchyroll is legal and the fansubs are not. For me that makes up for a lot of typos and minor translation disagreements. Your mileage may vary.
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YamiWheeler
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I wonder if the same people who insist on firing "incompetent" staff working on professional anime subs would also insist that they themselves be fired when making small errors in their job, like accidentally dropping a burger or forgetting the fries. People like bs3311 definitely come off like petulant children who have no idea what they're talking about by making completely unreasonable demands. What's incredibly ironic is that display of grammar though, I'm surprised they can even spot grammar and spelling mistakes. Tajima, well done for thoroughly putting them in their place. |
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peno
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I wouldn't pretend to be an expert here, but I remember there was some big argument about DRM in HTML5, with the pro-DRM group eventually winning this fight, so it's not like there is no copy-protection in HTML5. So, in my laic view of things, it should not matter which copy-protection you implement, should it? |
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PMDR
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Flawed subtitles are an interesting quandary.
If you know enough about the show, or enough Japanese, to know the subtitle is wrong, then you probably don't need to be watching it with subtitles, so the flaws should not matter too much. And if you desperately NEED those subs to enjoy the show at all, then you probably don't know enough to notice the flaws, in which case they should not matter too much. Either way, life goes on. |
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bs3311
Posts: 416 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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Except a few people aren't. Give some sort of punishment, with firing as a last resort.
Just like Tajima said, you need a high form of understanding for it. And clearly some people looked to others, like English teachers (ala Hyper Anime Reviews for me) or internet users with said knowledge over subtitle translations or grammar. |
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YamiWheeler
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So you're being outraged on behalf of other people, even though you yourself do not possess the "high form of understanding" required to be inconvenienced by the mistakes yourself. |
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bs3311
Posts: 416 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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No, they have their own voice. But knowing that professionals can criticize them makes me weary on the quality of these companies as a whole. Plus, just like you and possibly other users. I have my own limits on what reaches, "perfection." Involving grammar. Just like penguintruth, pause and select or cyanide blizzard. Grammar in social media means little to me since it's a free piece of instant communication besides our monthly internet bills. Grammar matters in the professional scene, like a speech, interview or delivery of product. |
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YamiWheeler
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Just like everyone, you mean, including translators.
What a poor argument. Grammar is part of how you conduct yourself, it's how you communicate with others, it's how others see you. I'd argue it has more importance here than a few negligible mistakes in an anime sub, because you are trying to argue a point. Who wants to listen to a person who can't be bothered to string together a grammatically correct sentence, hypocritically chastising hard-working translators for their lack of attention to grammatical detail? They have a quick turn-around time as their excuse, what's yours? Even worse, poor grammar might make you look uneducated, and people don't want to listen to the nitpicky ravings of a dim-wit either. Grammar in social media should mean as much to you as grammar anywhere else does. Practice what you preach. |
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bs3311
Posts: 416 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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I'm not getting payed for this, I don't know who you are so I can't warp it into something that can fit your own, "nitpicky." Standard, I'm not making a video and this forum is a legit niche sub culture with groups that already have their own entitled opinions. You say it like I'll swoon over the masses if I just make fancy grammar changes. And I bet you wouldn't change your mind either in this mosh pit of a site no matter how constructed the user's sentences are. Why do it then, you might ask? Because it's still better than doing nothing at all. |
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YamiWheeler
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Jesus Christ, your posts are growing more and more incoherent as you ramble on. Usually, I find arguments that sway me or at least make me respect them are ones that are also well presented and coherent. You say that my mind wouldn't be changed, but that's only because your argument is so poor. The article offered insight into why this situation is the way it is, I learned from it, and it also made reasonable sense. Then you stormed in and demanded you knew better and that it was just down to the translators being incompetent. You raved about how they should be fired for making typos! You're right, you were never going to change my mind with that kind of self-entitled attitude. Here's an example of a post from your side of the camp that made sense:
Hey look, it was well presented, it offered facts, it offered sources, it offered a new perspective to consider. It wasn't just petulant outrage over something insignificant. It's a post that earned my respect and piqued my curiosity. If it had the same content but was written poorly, however, I might have glossed over it. The fact that it is composed well is one factor of several that make it a good post. |
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bs3311
Posts: 416 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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I was impressed by the source too since not even my interviewing buds knew anything about it, but his/her commentary no matter how etiquette or poor is pointless to me because of the articles that write his/her opinion. |
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