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Leebo
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Personally, I only have the motivation to watch 2 or 3 series all the way to the end of the season. So, yeah, I only give most shows 1 or 2 episodes to impress me. If they miss their opportunity, I probably won't continue next week. We're not judging the whole series by the first episode, we're deciding if we want to watch the next. |
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
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Funny you should mention it; most of those shows you just listed I would probably rank in the C's or low B's. i.e. "Blaaarh I'm only watching this because there's nothing else on." I'm pretty sure I sat through all of Rental Magica just because of the girls ...
I see at least three groups who have declared their intention to sub Skip Beat, but that's as far as they've gotten
Check your local internets. |
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billborden
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I reference to Carl's review of "Tales...": "...but Master Ion has the most adorable lisp on the planet"....adorable lisp my fanny! If they had not repeatedly referred to him as a him I would have been certain he was a she, if you follow me . That being said, this looks to be at least one of the more fun rides for this season.
(Please note, no criticism, defamation, or comment on the character of the reviewer was intended in this comment; I just couldn't resist commenting on Ion. He'd fit right in as the uke of the week in any good bishonen anime. ) Last edited by billborden on Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Stretch24
Posts: 107 Location: Ohio |
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Thanks for making this special effort, Theron, Carl, Carlo and Casey. I was afraid that after all the crapola you guys got six months ago you might swear never to compile new season reviews again.
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Uthred
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Thats an impressively fine semantic line you've identified I thought it was clear enough that I was employing judging as an ad-hoc synonym for writing off which Id used earlier in the sentence, evidently I was wrong. Though I would be interested in what you call the process of watching an episode of something and then deciding whether to watch the next epsode or not based on your opinion of that episode. Its almost as if you were forming a critical opinon based on a certain input and then allowing said critical opinon to set your behvaiour towards the aforementioned input. If only there were a handy verb beginning with j which could be used to summarise that process Anyhow it was just a random thought so I'll drop it now. Any groups mentioned if theyre going to be subbing the new fist of the north start series? Maybe HoM now that theyre finished with season 2? |
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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there's a term for a what a Book, or TV should do for its first episode/chapter, its called a "hook". A "hook" is supposed to grab the viewers/readers interest and make them continue reading/watching the book/TV show. I feel perfectly fine judging an entire series based on its first episode, because if it doesn't grab me then its not worth my time. Unless something gets REALLY good later i won't watch it after 1 episode. Anime seems to be the only media that doesn't get this whole "hook" idea, and the ones that do are the ones that i generally tend to watch. and considering 90% of anime is garbage(IE the same stuff over and over again), I think most fans would agree with me. |
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Key
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Posts: 18249 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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Yes, but out of that crap came gems like Kurenai and, to a lesser extent, Macross Frontier. The occasional good ones make wading through all the substandard ones worthwhile, and this season seems no different. |
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Ryomanagare
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Honestly, that makes perfect sense. This is a anime based off a JRPG, which are notorious for there slow starts. I'm sure things will look brighter soon as more of the cast joins in and the plot begins moving. On the bright side, it's very accurate to the source material. |
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Animehermit
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personally i think at this point the "tales" series is a joke to most video game reviewers and i think it'll be a joke to Anime as well. the games represent the worst of the jrpg genre, complete with feminine male lead, and the whole spectrum of hair colors. so my hopes for the anime are not high.
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Uthred
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I said I'd leave it, but its late and Im bored. Firstly there is no necessity for anything to have a hook, while its generally a good idea its certainly not a necessity nor is it widely enough used to be considered ubiquitous. Secondly theres no such thing as tv (or cinema) hook, theres a musical hook and theres a literary hook. There's no real formal definition of a hook in cinema or television criticism, well there are plot hooks which are similar but separate from what we're talking about here (there's also scene hooks which are again a different thing). Thirdly, Im a little confused as to why you quoted my second post on the matter as you seemed to be responding to my first post on the whole thing. Finally, Im quite aware of the reasons people but forth for using one episode as a metric for the rest its just that I personally find it strange to decide on whether the whole is worth your time based on such a small sampling. Though upon reflection its not that strange if you expand the behaviour to a macro level, after all it generally only takes a sip or two to figure out you dont like drink X or a spoonful or two to realise food Y is not to your liking.
Yeah because a series that has had nearly 30 titles over 13 years and who's most recent title did more for the Xbox 360 in Japan than any previous title is clearly a joke. And I can see that there are excellent reasons for considering it so, I mean effeminate lead characters (leaving aside the accuracy of this statement) and coloured hair are so bizarre in the land of jrpg's and anime that they are clear grounds for ridicule. |
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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Its is strongly advised in Literature in order to keep the audiences attention. Anime should have a hook as well(for on-going non-episodic titles anyway). TV shows use hooks all the time they're fairly easy to spot in tv shows that have an over lying plot(IE Lost, Heroes, Battlestar Galactica) its harder to spot in episodic TV, but its still there in any of the shows that gain popularity. I never mentioned cinema hooks, though these easily could be defined as trailers. and lastly i didn't want to search through the forum to quote you on your first post, so i just used your later one. |
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Tempest
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Books and movies often don't have early hooks because they've got a fairly captive audience. Hooks are a very commonly used literary device in anything serialized in western media, especially TV series. It's a somewhat crass practice IMHO because it's has no literary purpose. Japanese media in general, not just anime, is less reliant on hooks to reel in viewers / readers. I think the Japanese public is more willing to give stories more time to develop. Also, since the competition doesn't have a hook, it makes it less necessary. In western media, hooks are a necessity, because if you don't do it, you'll be left behind by the competition who do it. -t |
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MorwenLaicoriel
Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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On judging an episode by a the first few...I have mixed opinions on it.
On one hand, my favorite anime, Princess Tutu, starts out interesting, but a little slow and generic. If I hadn't been interested enough in the premise to keep watching, I probably wouldn't have finished it--and then I would've missed out on a wonderful, wonderful series. Since then, I try to give any show I find interesting a chance. That was a show I was watching on ADV's On Demand service, though, not a fansub. I think a fansub is different, because not only do I like to preorder anything I liked enough to buy when it comes out in the US, but...I just don't have that much time to watch *everything*. I've only really been an active anime fan for the last three years or so, so there's a lot of older series I haven't seen, too. Because of that, with these new series I'm mostly only watching the first two episodes or so and then deciding if I want to continue watching. For shows I sort of liked, but not enough to continue watching? I'll rent them out if they come out in the US and give them another try with more episodes. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I think judging an anime by the first few episodes when it's the beginning of the season is kinda what you have to do--there's just too much out there. Word gets around pretty quickly among anime fans if something turns out to be good, so you'll always have a chance to see it later, whether it's through fansubs or through watching DVDs. |
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fmagrave
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Ms. Brienza, You've missed the point of a certain branch of erotic games (eroge) altogether. The reason the "story becomes the raison d'etre in its own right" is because that's the focus of the product. You have mistakenly assumed that porn is the point for ef, when in fact, the story, the characters and the circumstances are what drives it. I believe your statement reveals an underlying distaste or perhaps outright ignorance of the genre which makes me question where you get the galls to say that "Some people need a bit of story to help assuage their guilt about the porn" when you seem know so little about the genre. I also wonder how you can so brazenly say that "The ero genre has lost its way; it's ridiculous." Unless you've actually finished some of the genuinely good games (like ef) and their accompanying anime, I believe you should refrain from making such sweeping statements. If you know more about the eroge genre than your statement above statement let's on, please feel free to argue back. Otherwise, please do not make use such rash words. Many people read and respect ANN, and I believe that all writers here should actually know what they are talking about. (If you feel like proving that people read/watch eroge and anime spinoffs to "help assuage their guilt about the porn", then please feel free to post it. I welcome the food for thought.) |
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
Posts: 1325 Location: San Diego |
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You got me confused with the other dude whose name is one letter away from mine
That's why I prefer to think of the voice actress portraying him instead. Sucks that Ion isn't a major character; I was looking forward to hearing a lot more "sumimasen" and stuff. |
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