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NEWS: Uncertain State of the Anime Industry Profiled

You're missing the point again. I'm asking about the actual effect of scanslation. I already know that it's illegal.People that read a scanslation generally aren't going to do it more than once, most people prefer print format. So it effectively comes down to playing a role similar to that of browsing in a store.
What about titles that never will get licensed? If you think that the number of anime out that there that will never see a license is big, the number of manga is ginormous o,o

Why not blame the Japanese companies who sell the licenses? Funi and co. have no control on how the animation studios get screwed. In the first place, Japanese companies have been doing their best to screw over R1 companies with exorbitant licensing fees as well.

ok why is there always one person too dense to understand that when distributors buy up the rights to a product the original makers are left out of the profits!

yes the distribution companies force the industry to produce cheaper product or not get distributed which means no jobs so they work for less which means the animators get screwed.

yes the industry makes billions of yen try taking the time to understand how little of that actually goes to the animators.

babbo wrote:

You're missing the point again. I'm asking about the actual effect of scanslation. I already know that it's illegal.People that read a scanslation generally aren't going to do it more than once, most people prefer print format. So it effectively comes down to playing a role similar to that of browsing in a store. What about titles that never will get licensed? If you think that the number of anime out that there that will never see a license is big, the number of manga is ginormous o,o

B.S. If you're just browsing the intellectual property like some kind of preview, then why gone all the way by stealing the entire release of every single title? Do you see movie preview in theaters or on DVD that shows the whole movie? So why killing the audiences' incentive on buying the legitimate licensed medias, by saturating the media market with the illegal duplications of the exact same things?

babbo wrote:

Why not blame the Japanese companies who sell the licenses? Funi and co. have no control on how the animation studios get screwed. In the first place, Japanese companies have been doing their best to screw over R1 companies with exorbitant licensing fees as well.

Even more B.S. The international copyright law granted the original creators the sole rights to do whatever they want with their intellectual properties, while at the same time requested the people within the jurisdiction to respect the copyright holders with their decisions on what to do with their properties. Just what are you referring to as being "exorbitant," when the anime copyrights holders have every right to do with something that they rightfully owned? Do you even know just exactly how much is this "exorbitant" licensing fee that you're referring to really cost?

dragoneyes001 wrote:

ok why is there always one person too dense to understand that when distributors buy up the rights to a product the original makers are left out of the profits! yes the distribution companies force the industry to produce cheaper product or not get distributed which means no jobs so they work for less which means the animators get screwed. yes the industry makes billions of yen try taking the time to understand how little of that actually goes to the animators.

Then show us the undeniable truth that's supporting your claim. Because I can only see even the distributors are suffering from fansub community stealing ad supported intellectual properties.

"You've got to really love animation to be in this trade," said Takeo Ide, chief animator for the popular television series "One Piece."

Ide recalled how he used to make ¥70,000 a month in his rookie years, sharing a cheap apartment to get by before being assigned to draw the more pricey key frames — drawings that define the starting and ending points of movements.

Ide's is a success story in an occupation that, according to a study conducted by the Japan Council of Performers' Organization, has an appalling turnover rate of 80 percent.

The study revealed that a single cel on average earns animators a meager ¥186.9. Considering how a grunt worker has to fill in 500 in-between cels per month for a television animation series, this means a monthly wage of ¥94,000 at best — for an average of 250 hours of work — until an artist gets to handle key frames or storyboards.

With an estimated 90 percent of in-betweens being outsourced overseas — a result of the industry trying to squeeze out more content than it can from domestic hands — there are also concerns that opportunities to nurture future generations of quality animators are being lost.

"Drawing in-between cels is hard work and it sure doesn't pay much, but it's still an important skill that every animator should learn," said Masayuki Kawachi, president of the All-Toei Labor Union.

Kawachi, who handles special effects at Toei Animation Studio, said that in the current situation, most of such work is done in countries like China and the Philippines.

ValkyrieZeroZeroOne wrote:

And in the last phrase of your last sentence lies the problem. They're potential profits that won't be realised for the vast majority of series because very few series that air in Japan actually get licensed outside Japan. The profit potential for these series is as they air and maybe a little while after the series finishes. After that, it's gone for most of them, because the DVD companies won't buy them and people will have moved on to other series and interests. Those potential profits are forever lost.

In part true, but fansubs and free raws contribute as well. Because why would a distributor release a DVD when they feel that the market for the series has been saturated to the point that it is no longer profitable? Fansubs either fulfill totally or speed up that process of reaching a saturation point. So in one aspect fansubs are now doing the reverse of what they intend, they are making it so that some series will less likely come over here than if they didn't fansub it at all.

We can all sit around with our asses on our hands, while whine and complain about unreasonable demands like "I want my instant self-gratification without paying anything because I'm just too damn lazy to do just about anything legally". Then hop onto the internet and pirate the whole dying anime industry for all its worth until the fat lady sings. That is the collectively selfish mentality in the fansub community, which is dragging the anime community down to extinction.

You don't call a destructive tendency like stealing as some sort of market in business term, you call it piracy.

I seriously think that it would do the site some good to LOCK THIS THREAD. It has the same stuff being said over and over again. People are throwing insults at each other and conversation really isn't going anywhere.

No. simply no. There is not single scanslation group out there that releases in pdf format; it's not worth the effort. More often than not they are already having to clean up poor quality scans from the Japanese originals (the main reason why scanslation is rarely the same quality as legit releases) and translate and type set them. There are whole databases sites that list groups who scanslate titles. I can say with confidence that there truly aren't any scanslation groups that put out pdfs. It's mostly zips with .jpgs/.pngs. Anyone that says otherwise has literally no idea what they're talking about.

So really, all groups have their talking points (except leeches, who have no intrinsic value to any kind of conversation on this topic, or to the industry at large) but no one wants to compromise.

Hey there, Unit 03.5-ish. I though you might use some help to breakthrough samuelp's delusional fantasy, so here I go.

I seriously think that it would do the site some good to LOCK THIS THREAD.