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Mohawk52
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garfield15
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So then what the heck do you call what they're doing now? Magic? |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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There isn't a single unauthorised video on crunchyroll these days, isn't that enough of a change? I believe a number of people who first created the anime industry in American started out either watching, sharing or creating VHS fansubs, what about them? CR has the trust of a number of large companies in Japan which probably wasn't easily won, even with money greasing the palms. Unlike Crunchy, Youtube still hosts thousands of fansubbed and otherwise illegal videos as well as being "trusted" with any number of legal streams from huge corporations, yet there's no great clamour for them to "redeem" themselves. They take down videos when asked to but so did Crunchyroll back when they first made the headlines and people started taking notice. |
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Yeah, it's a bit ironic looking back ADV, MB, AnimEigo. Even the entire film industry itself has a kind of similar story, why it moved from the east coast to the west CA coast (all the hollywood filmakers were labeled as thieves by Edison)
And Kadokawa makes money--a lot in fact--from "illegal", copyright infringing uploads on youtube due to their agreement actually, which is why they aren't removed now. |
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TatsuGero23
Posts: 1277 Location: Sniper Island, USA (It's in your heart!) |
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So, in the opinions of the anti-CRers its better to support sites that still partake in illegal activities (because you know, at least they stick to their guns! CR you f***ing sellouts ) or still turn to fansubs of CR available titles which in turn offers zero support to the original company that provided said title in hopes a sufficient number of those fansub viewers purchase the DVDs while at least with CR you get some type of return even from those viewers who never end up buying the DVDs? Hmm... interesting logic. No wait... what's the opposite of interesting? Ridiculous? Re***ed?
Yes, CR were the lucky ones who got the chance to go legit. But legit they did rather then the "Oh noes... a C&D. I guess that means i have to move my servers again.", like so many other sites do or "oh, you can't touch me, my servers are in Finland. So good luck with all the legal stuff you need to go through to get my stuff while I keep all the money." Anime in the US has always had questionable origins as the people who work in the industry so to hold CR to its origins while we let others forget it and look at their results instead? That just sour grapes or the whining of those who didn't get a chance 2 years ago like CR did. Also punishment for CR? I think risking the lost of a fair number of its subscribers during the change over (which they did), entering into legal agreements with legal consequences, working at a lost of profits for two years (why they still might depending on what they mean by revenue), and the overall stress of complying with their contracts and risk of going under with no option to just take the money and leave or move servers like a fansite can? And the ever present risk of being a "fail" in interweb business? Upgrading from "Oh my sites down, fun while it lasted and I got money" to entrepreneur level with the risk of ending up with nothing; yeah, I think that's its own kind of punishment. |
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agila61
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Lots of people get up on a high horse because they "used to be sinners" and "now they've gone straight" - the whole noisy reformed sinner act like George W Bush did. I've never seen Crunchyroll do that whole reformed sinner thing, and if they did, it'd probably annoy me. Pragmatically, the whole point of copyright is to allow the creators of original work to get income from the activity. Standing in mid-2008, if we had asked rights owners, "would it be a good thing for you if Crunchyroll stopped being a pirate base and only allowed uploads from the anime producers themselves", they would have said yes. If we had added, "which is more important to you, stopping the piracy or Crunchyroll loudly confessing that what they were doing was wrong" ... my guess is they would have said stopping the piracy was more important than a confession of guilt. Indeed, from the evidence, it was more important for TV Tokyo, Chiba TV and TBS, who all faced head to head competition from Crunchy when it was a pirate support base, and who all have shows that they broadcast which are simulcasting at Crunchy. |
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LordRedhand
Posts: 1472 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Indiana |
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Personally it be support Crunchyroll but part of it is that they don't have a lot of programming that interests me (and the ones they do I'm confident will come out here, so I can wait for that release instead.)
For me there is some forgiveness (they are supporting the industry) and in a situation the anime fandom should be supportive of their experiment (imagine what would happen if it were to fail) But for me the types of shows they license do not appeal to me, so I don't watch them. Now it would be better for me if I could get confirmation on whether they paid taxes on the income that they made during their bootleg years (as if they didn't that could be tax evasion) or if any other "pre-payments" from that period were paid out. But yeah they are doing the right thing, can't fault them for it, but there will be those that won't forget what they were, more time will be needed, but they shouldn't go out of their way to make them fail either. |
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agila61
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Yes, they don't get HD on the PS3 relying on the browser, so hopefully the Adobe Mobile Framework stuff will give them a platform to fix that.
Yes, I'd prefer they stick to the same model, with ad-supported viewing and a manga membership with more/quicker access and premium features. I'd especially like to have context-sensitive 2d panel paging, so I can read on my netbook and don't have to crank up my aging Linux laptop for the manga.
They use the built in subtitle system on the iPhone / iPod Touch app - I don't have one, so don't know how easy to read the subtitles are.
Only three of the current simulcasts are ending this season, so anything more than three new simulcasts will at least increase the number that they had. I think some rights holders were disappointed by the royalty revenue ... after all, if you get 100,000 views, that'll translate to $1,000's of dollars. Crunchy has to focus up-front license fees on titles it expects to drive traffic and subscriptions. And for the rest, even if Crunchy pays an advance that covers the subtitling costs, its likely some titles will take a while before they earn back the advance. There also seems to be a concern by some rights owners that going into Crunchy's back catalog after the simulcast undermines prospects for licensing DVD rights. But the 7day premium + 30day ad-stream model that some rights holders have been insisting on doesn't seem like enough time for word of mouth to build an audience for a show ... a 1wk + 13wk model would be better, since all the episodes would be available at the same time for two weeks for premium members and one week on ad stream before the first episodes hit their streaming deadline. |
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Mohawk52
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agila61
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Its not clear - unlike the current crop of big leech streaming sites, Crunchyroll hosted the streams themselves, which put them into a more exposed position. They were in a position more like the big three manga viewing sites, without even the partial cover of operating as a Chinese company from Chinese servers. Indeed, when they first announced that it was site policy to stop hosting licensed series, the reason given was the difficulty in covering the cost of streaming those shows. |
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bahamut623
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I wish they had said more about the console thing. The main reason I don't watch anything on Crunchyroll is because I hate watching stuff on the computer...partly because it's just uncomfortable to watch stuff at my desk, and also because the internet is there. If I'm watching something and my mind drifts for a second, I'll probably open a tab to check Facebook or something. It's a distraction. But yea, if they put CR on PS3 or 360, I'll definitely become a regular Crunchyroll viewer.
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everydaygamer
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I've been supporting CR since i found out they went legit (when they got naruto shippuden and gintama) and i have been a payed subscriber ever since i love alot of the anime they got and am glad to hear things are going well. can't wait to see what they get for the summer.
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agila61
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Actually, come to think about it, the big teaser news out of the CR panel is the last bit ... if they are talking publicly about users that are authorized to upload subtitles for their region, they must have talked some of the rights owners into allowing that.
If this means German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese (Romanian, Hungarian, etc. etc.) subtitles in Europe, Thai, Malay, Tagalog, Bahasa Indonesia, Cantonese for Southeast Asia, Arabic and Farsi in the Middle East ... that could open the way for getting the interest from advertisers to allow Crunchy to break through the region restriction blocks in Europe, the Middle East and Southeast Asia. |
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Kyaa the Catlord
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The big question, which is still unanswered by CR, is "what's next?" They have announced no new series for this summer and seem to only be continuing the series that did not end.
I know at least 1 of the summer shows has already started, so a "simulcast" (in quotes due to CR having fudged the definition of that themselves) is going to be difficult.... I'm a paying member there and I have to ask myself, what am I getting for my dollars? |
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Shiroi Hane
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CR often can't announce their licenses early due to licensors holding out till the last minute for a better deal from someone like FUNimation (i.e. streaming and home video rights).
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