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Rahxephon91 wrote:

Maybe? But Zeta's age, animation, and genre would keep people away long before they realized how bad the dub was. The people left probably would'nt care.

What? Are you trying to say Zeta's animation is bad/poor/crappy? If so, I disagree 100% with you. Gundam Zeta is one of the best animated series in my opinion. Despite being created almost three decades ago, its animation is comparable to the best modern standards.

Well the survey is closed. Here are the results:

Mobile Suit Gundam 00
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed
Mobile Fighter G Gundam
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team
Mobile Suit Gundam
Turn A Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
After War Gundam X
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam AGE
SD Gundam Force
SD Gundam Sangokuden Brave Battle Warriors

There was only 663 total votes. I would call that a small sample size.

What? Are you trying to say Zeta's animation is bad/poor/crappy? If so, I disagree 100% with you. Gundam Zeta is one of the best animated series in my opinion. Despite being created almost three decades ago, its animation is comparable to the best modern standards.

Separate animation (the illusion of movement through sequenced still images) from art design. Fantasia and Snow White still have impeccable animation, and they're older than anyone who posts on this website, even Mohawk.

Most Zeta's fights are pretty lame. I rewatched it not too long ago and it was such a chore to get through. I could only deal with 3 or so episodes at a time before I started drifting off.

The movies really did benefit from the new animation. The battle at the end of the first movie was far more exciting than anything in the TV show, and they made the final battle against Scirocco pretty awesome.

As far as Gundam Zeta is concerned, I think it has both very good animation and art design. To me Zeta's looks should not be a reason for younger viewers to dismiss it.

The movies were lazily cobbled together, cutting out huge swaths of the story in such a way as to render the story incomplete, and mixing decades old animation with new animation in a clumsy and laughable manner. And that f***ing ending is a joke.

You would think that with how short they made the movies they'd be able to afford to do them completely in new animation. The new animation looked great, but it doesn't make up for the overall awfulness.

Truth be told, I still haven't forgiven Tomino entirely. But at least Seagusa did more music.

I think what a lot of people need to understand is that a lot of Japanese animators and people in the anime industry hold a lot of reverence for Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam. A lot of the time they unwillingly add new animation into the mix, because they don’t want to mess with a classic. Kind of similar if someone wanted to re-do Star Wars and add all new footage and give the picture an “updated” look. I remember Shin Sasaki saying something like this at Otakon in 2012 when asked. That's also a reason why we are hearing no updates on Origins because the animators don’t know how to go about animating the series because of its status in Japanese culture and fandom.

There's plenty of good action in the TV series.

The movies were lazily cobbled together, cutting out huge swaths of the story in such a way as to render the story incomplete, and mixing decades old animation with new animation in a clumsy and laughable manner. And that f***ing ending is a joke.

Like I just said, a lot of Zeta's content didn't amount to much so nothing all that important was cut out. Seriously, what was the point of 'killing' Four, only to bring her back and kill her again? Definitively killing her the first time has the same impact.all

From the get go the creators were up front about how poorly the new animation integrates with the old stuff. It was just unavoidable.

And the ending is a lot better in the movies. It made it so that what Camille went through actually mattered. After all that hardship Camille gets his reward and the AEUG is a lot better off. The TV series was just Tomino being cynical for the sake of being cynical. He was basically saying "even if you fight through hardship nothing will ever get better!" Which has a degree of truth to it, sure, but it doesn't make for good storytelling. All the best tragedies at least have some glimmer of hope at the end.

the movies do a much better job of making the cast likable, make them seem like they actually are trusted comrades who have each others' back. And it was done with minor things like Reccoa joking about Quattro touching her butt, or all of them sitting down together for some cake.

Zeta was non-stop plot. There was very little that could be cut without removing key details. There's almost no fluff in the TV series.

Four's second death was all about shedding pretenses about what they were doing. It was followed directly by "Day of Dakar", the heart and soul of the series (which they of course removed), where Char declares his intentions in front of the Federation government. The Kilamanjaro episodes are a vital lead-in and add another notch to the rivalry between Kamille and Jerid. It's taking things like that out that really made Jerid a nobody, and we got less of Jamitov as well.

I disagree thoroughly. Zeta Gundam isn't about reaping rewards, it's about sacrificing for the sake of others. Kamille paid the price for trying to change the world. And, I might add, he recovers at the end of Double Zeta. The hero coming out unscuffed from the final battle is complete nonsense when everyone around him was falling.

Also, without the Hyaku Shiki's remains floating by with the cockpit open, there's no indication that Char survived. He just kills himself in the fight with Haman for no reason.

They cut out huge portions of scenes that even establish these characters! They're little more than named extras in the movies.

WeskerGriff wrote:

I think what a lot of people need to understand is that a lot of Japanese animators and people in the anime industry hold a lot of reverence for Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam. A lot of the time they unwillingly add new animation into the mix, because they don’t want to mess with a classic. Kind of similar if someone wanted to re-do Star Wars and add all new footage and give the picture an “updated” look. I remember Shin Sasaki saying something like this at Otakon in 2012 when asked. That's also a reason why we are hearing no updates on Origins because the animators don’t know how to go about animating the series because of its status in Japanese culture and fandom.

Isn't the Origin going to be animated from scratch? If the staff at Sunrise are thinking of using the original Gundam 0079 footage and just adding new animation, that will be crazy. I want to think that Japanese audiences would like the Origin if it looks like Unicorn (I know I would).

And what all did Dakar change, really? Char convinced the Federation to stop supporting the Titans, sure, but there was no major change in how the Titans operated. They still had plenty of resources and fighting force to fall back on, and it's not like the Federation helped out the AEUG all that much.