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NEWS: Japan Cartoonists Association, Others Oppose New Child Pornography Revision Bill


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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:40 pm Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
If I understand this correctly, in the worst of cases artists will be subjected to be fined and jailed for portraying underage characters in sexual situations in anime, manga and other media.

Personally, I will not be upset if we see less 15 years old characters in anime/manga. I rather see older characters in the media I consume. I will be especially glad to not see stuff like Strike Witches, which mostly exists to provide mastusbation material to otakus.


Perhaps that's your view on it but most, if not all the girls aside from yoshika and lucchini are over the age of 15. Mio being the oldest at 20 and bark-horn being 19.
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Tenbyakugon



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:48 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
Tenbyakugon wrote:
The more popular this becomes on the surface, the grander the reason it should be put up for popular vote becomes.

Who cares about these associations and their biases, honestly. How about we go to the average "Yamada" walking down the street and ask them how they feel about it?

That's also bad on principle, even if it turns out to work in your favor in some cases, as it allows for tyranny of the majority


Should the people choose the will of the majority of those representing them, then that doesn't necessarily become something that's tyrannical.

As much as I support the LDP's actions here, what I don't support is their tactful power-grabbing. Just a bit reminiscent of the use of the caucus in the U.S. Senate by way of independent Senators, and the NKP and JRP are falling for it... Not good.
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configspace



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:50 pm Reply with quote
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
angelmcazares wrote:
If I understand this correctly, in the worst of cases artists will be subjected to be fined and jailed for portraying underage characters in sexual situations in anime, manga and other media.

Personally, I will not be upset if we see less 15 years old characters in anime/manga. I rather see older characters in the media I consume. I will be especially glad to not see stuff like Strike Witches, which mostly exists to provide mastusbation material to otakus.


Perhaps that's your view on it but most, if not all the girls aside from yoshika and lucchini are over the age of 15. Mio being the oldest at 20 and bark-horn being 19.


Hah! You fail to understand the statist, ban-boners mind! They "look" too young. Imma gonna tell you what age they are! And Imma gonna ruin your life because I hate that look!

100 year old fairy? Excuse me? You don't have a say. According to "the law" we determine how old she is. So it's off to jail for you!

Oh, but if it's live-action then it doesn't matter how they look. Only their actual age matters. Logic? What's that? Look, the point of government is to stamp out offensive material don't ya know.

Tenbyakugon wrote:
Should the people choose the will of the majority of those representing them, then that doesn't necessarily become something that's tyrannical.

As much as I support the LDP's actions here, what I don't support is their tactful power-grabbing. Just a bit reminiscent of the use of the caucus in the U.S. Senate by way of independent Senators, and the NKP and JRP are falling for it... Not good.

That's tyranny. So the minority are always enslaved by the majority? Do people own themselves or not? Voting provides no ethical justification whatsoever.

How about this: vote all you want on whatever you want. But make it voluntary so only people who agree to the terms are subject to it. You know, like we do for various businesses and organizations. Enter voluntarily, disengage and leave any time if you don't like it, while still keeping control over your own person and property.

The only justification for force is against initiation of force. Unfortunately too many people love to use force.
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revolutionotaku



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:02 pm Reply with quote
The uprising has finally begun.
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Tenbyakugon



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:06 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
That's tyranny. So the minority are always enslaved by the majority? Do people own themselves or not? Voting provides no ethical justification whatsoever.

How about this: vote all you want on whatever you want. But make it voluntary so only people who agree to the terms are subject to it. You know, like we do for various businesses and organizations. Enter voluntarily, disengage and leave any time if you don't like it, while still keeping control over your own person and property.

The only justification for force is against initiation of force. Unfortunately too many people love to use force.


That would leave open the possibility for anarchy, and government just can't have that Laughing
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BigOnAnime
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:09 pm Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
I will be especially glad to not see stuff like Strike Witches, which mostly exists to provide mastusbation material to otakus.
Not this argument again...

Strike Witches is by no means a plotless show mainly for masturbation. I've seen both seasons (Have yet to see the movie and original OVA), and I can confirm a plot is there. They actually did try to tell a story.
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Tomibiki



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:28 pm Reply with quote
Can we at least all agree that loli-cons are ruining it for everyone?
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:47 pm Reply with quote
Gasero wrote:
Raise the age of all characters that look younger than 18 and make them all officially 18 years old. Problem solved.


But what do you do with the mass of manga and anime already in print and in the hands of individuals and libraries?
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labmember001



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:50 pm Reply with quote
The biggest problem I see is anyone who owns a copy of One Piece, Haruhi, Evangelion or 1,000 other manga/anime could be sent to jail for it. That's absolutely ridiculous.
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SoraChanShadow



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:51 pm Reply with quote
They should do a blackout protest similar to sopa/pipa bill.
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Chagen46



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:53 pm Reply with quote
This law must be revised to only prosecute REAL child porn. I will have my shotacon dammit.
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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Also consider the makeup of the three parties backing this bill.

The LDP is a long established conservative party that dominated Japanese politics for decades. Some of the early influencers of party politics had been in prison for war crimes in WWII.

The New Komeito Party is a conservative party with a religious base.

The Japan Restoration Party is the newest of the bunch, a right wing party founded by Toru Hashimoto the mayor of Osaka who has been in the news lately for his comments on comfort women in WWII and suggesting US soldiers visit sex shops in Okinawa. The present party is a result of a merger between the old Japan Restoration Party and the Sunrise Party of Shintaro Ishihara.
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blindworm



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:01 pm Reply with quote
if this passes, several adult writers may be out of a job or find trouble getting one, several manga series with fan service will have to be cancelled

oh good god, this is sopa but in japan
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revolutionotaku



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:12 pm Reply with quote
Gilles Poitras wrote:
The Japan Restoration Party is the newest of the bunch, a right wing party founded by Toru Hashimoto the mayor of Osaka who has been in the news lately for his comments on comfort women in WWII and suggesting US soldiers visit sex shops in Okinawa. The present party is a result of a merger between the old Japan Restoration Party and the Sunrise Party of Shintaro Ishihara.


Hashimoto has recently canceled his planned trip to San Francisco, CA & New York City, NY due to outrage by his comments over Korean comfort women used during WWII.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/hashimoto-cancels-trip-to-u-s

Shintaro Ishihara has even ordered Hashimoto to stop using Twitter.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/ishihara-advises-hashimoto-to-stop-tweeting

Your Party has also decided to split away from the JRP because they think that Hashimoto is a kook.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/your-party-to-split-from-japan-restoration-party-over-hashimotos-comments/comments/popular/id/3286670

FYI, one of the members of Your Party is an Evangelion otaku.
animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-12-19/evangelion-otaku-former-viz-lawyer-wins-election-in-japan
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dan9999



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:13 pm Reply with quote
animefanworried wrote:

The other spectrum of the fanbase would be teens, which is part of why many shows take place in high schools. But yeah, I'm sure you're right, teens will love to watch series with characters of the working class that have nothing to do with them and with whom they can't relate at all. And knowing how chaste teens are, I'm certain that if series do take place in high schools, they will love that new conservative "all teens are saints" attitude series will have.


Nah, this is to narrow view, we watch and enjoy anime for multiple and also complex reasons, not only because we can relate to them.

So why the success of Naruto or DBZ? How do we relate as super humans and ninjas?

Also go look up the demographics, specially of many pure "teens" anime... fanbase has been getting old for a while, majority of fans are not teens in Japan but 20 + people (in the west majority of anime fans are indeed teens)

If you were to go watch a doraemon or a One Piece movie in a Japanese cinema for example, you would hardly find teens and or young boys/girls.

Hichschool anime are liked not because other teens in high-school relate to them as fellow middle or highs school students, but because ADULTS enjoy high-school girls and lolis quite a lot.

This is also the reason why there are so many cases of sexual encounters with middle and HS girls, Japan loves them Smile.

As always, the older you get, the younger you want them. As a young boy/girl chances are significantly higher to prefer older partners too, mature anime are quite popular with teens you know, but no money to buy, other reason why mature anime dont sell as high or at all as your highschool anime targeted at 20-30 years old people with income.

I can tell you teens 13-19, have no high interest in high-school anime, but more action-adventure (shounen) and mature themed anime.
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