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PantsGoblin
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I second this request. Although, I don't exactly have a problem with the names "H-game" and "hentai games" if they're used correctly, I do have a problem with calling Kid's games this. I've now looked on their website and can see that most of the games there are PS2 (meaning non-hentai). I wouldn't have as much as a problem with this if it was just a simple error, but an error like this gives people false negative perceptions of their games(since hentai isn't exactly something looked highly upon). Their games can be viewed here. Most of them are PS2 and/or console games. If ANN choses not to do anything about this error, I'm going to send an e-mail to them about this. I encourage others to do the same if it comes to this, since I feel it would be wrong to let this error pass by. Last edited by PantsGoblin on Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:28 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Anath_19
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I disagree with that use of stewardess to flight attendant, as it's not so they sound more important, it was changed so the job description wasn't sexist. I do agree with the shell-shock to post-traumatic stress disorder bit, but then, that too was needed to get people to realize that there's actually something wrong with the people affected by it, so that the people afflicted by it might be able to receive some treatment. And toilet paper to bathroom tissue...no clue why that happened. Didn't even notice it, to be honest.
Though not entirely wrong, the term graphic novel was also used to try to change people's opinions about the subject, as people tend to think of something for children when you say comic, regardless of what the comic is actually about.
Then again, calling something porn when it doesn't even contain nudity is incorrect. Those certain visual novels where the only reason to play it is for the porn, I will gladly call h-games. Other games that may have porn but also have a good deal of story I will call visual novels partly because I don't want people to hear that I play h-games and instantly think I'm a pervert (because the common perception of h-games is that they are only porn), but also because I want to try to get people interested in them, and to realize that some of these things aren't just about porn. It doesn't help things at all if you use a term that make people immediately lose interest, so instead of using the rather loaded term "h-game," I'll use "visual novel" in these circumstances as it's a relatively unknown term, and will allow me to explain exactly what visual novels are, rather than being forced to try to explain myself against a preconceived notion. And as for the ones that aren't porn...then there's no point in calling them h-games, because these games are called h-games because of the porn factor. To tie this back into the topic, this third faction of visual novels are what make a good portion of the games that KID releases. |
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dormcat
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The original news in Japanese can be found here and here.
The only phrase showing what type of games it produces is "恋愛をテーマ" (romatic-themed). No "ecchi", no "hentai", no "ero", not even "bishoujo". Not to mention that most of their products are console-based and non-adult. I have no idea who this "Desty" was or why did s/he coined "H-game maker" on his/her own, but I second that the news should be rephrased.
There was a time when the concept of "anime = cartoon porno" was widely accepted among "general public" in North America. Either you forgot it or deliberately ignored it.
Har har har. Go learn what are renai, junai, kichiku, naki, nuki, otome, and the symbolic meanings of cockroaches, flies, and larva. Don't even try to comment on the history of Japanese adult gaming without these prerequisite knowledge.
Let's make a poll to pick a nice nickname for you. Shall we? According to your (flawed) logics, you should take it without complaint, because there are more people agreeing on that. |
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Unholy_Nny
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I have no idea what those are... That's why I like the term "visual novel", because it's in english and it covers those.... genres?.... I think? ....Maybe? |
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WEKS
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Aw geez, I just finished Ever17 too... Which is a Visual Novel BTW.
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luffypirate
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so i guess KIDs two listed releases for 2007 are cancelled
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crilix
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Not necessarily, at least not for 12RIVEN - the Ψcliminal of integral. The man behind it--Uchikoshi Kotarou--has said that he'll try to release it somehow. Perhaps we can expect a release of it under a different company or even under a newly created company. In any case, hope still remains.
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shawurai
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I wonder if I'll be able to collect all the remaining CDs and DVDs from Memories Off now. This is really sad news for me. I had hight hopes to see more about the new character in "Memories Off #5 encore"
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hikaru004
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I would also like to point out that Kanon is not a dating sim. Neither is Air.
I third the suggestion for a change in the post. |
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crilix
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Even if the post does get changed now ("now" is running a bit late, I'm afraid), does this guarantee that these kinds of mistakes won't happen in the future?
A request: You know, writers of certain circles all follow the same manual of style. The congregate of AnimeNewsNetwork.com writers and editors should by all means have at least an agreed list of commonly used words. Hopefully 'visual novels' would be on it. But this list shouldn't just end with that. I can almost swear that I saw the word 'hentai' mentioned on the site at least a year ago when there was the "Anime Equals Hentai" scandal even though I seldom saw the use of the term 'adult anime' before and after. Contrary to popular belief, the word 'hentai' is not appropriate for marking sexually explicit anime. 'Seinen anime', even 'eroanime' are used in Japan instead. In any case, if such a list of commonly used words does exist (even if it's just in the heads of ANN's editors), it needs to be revised, especially for some of the more controversial terms that were mentioned in this topic. In my opinion, for a well-versed information/news site such as AnimeNewsNetwork.com it is essential that not only the information stays up-to-date but also the mindset of its editors and writers. The lack of the latter being in my opinion the reason for the mistake in the news entry. If that's not the case, I sincerely apologize. |
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Unholy_Nny
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That's taking it a tad bit far, the main problem with "H-Game" is that a "visual novel" doesn't have to be hentai. Hell, some "H-games" aren't even dating sims or visual novels. However, "hentai" has been the word used since before I've been a heavy anime fan.(4-5 years ago?) to classify pornographic anime. It's a term that is accurate in american anime fan mind-set. Besides, "seinen anime" is too long to say, "eroanime" sounds funny, and "adult anime" seems like it would classify more than just porn.(series like "Gantz" and "Elfen Lied" come to mind) |
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omar235
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While all of your other arguments are valid crilix, discluding hentai in reports is going a bit too far since it been used to identifiy erotic anime for a while so I don't see it disappearing...anyone know how long its been used?
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crilix
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Even though that's the technical side of the term, I do believe not all visual novels can be called so. In my opinion, 'visual novel' would be just a fancy term for a sex oriented game if it were actually sex oriented. 'Erogame' and '18 years over only game' fit the blanks here perfectly. A story oriented visual novel called an 'h-game' or, God forbid, a 'hentai game' would of course be dealing unjustice to game creators and game fans. The problem lies of course in the reporter and the reader. Human beings differ when it comes to touchy topics like sex and whatnot. So of course somebody will call a visual novel a perverted product if it only contained one erotic scene. Still there are many people that are less sensitive to this. The same can be said for modern art work. Many authors even brag(ged) how sex and instincts inspired their works, yet they are considered by many as geniuses. Even in the anime slash otaku community are people that would just love it if erotica never manifested in their hobby because of the overall negativity it has been receiving in recent years. I mean, yeah, cartoons + sex just don't seem to register well in the mind of a worried soccer mum. And I can understand that, but putting good anime and good visual novel stories that contain(ed) erotica into the same group where twisted creations that can be labeled 'hentai' purely for descriptive reasons are dropped off is just plain out wrong! Therefore distinguishing between what's sex oriented and what's not (even though it may contain erotica) is the job of the reporter. In this case, the reporter does need a refreshed mind set.
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Unholy_Nny
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Since you type too much to quote, I'm ignoring quoting for now =)
I don't see how what you stated as an arguement was any different than what I stated.... I was just re-stating that the term "H-game" was wrong to describe "visual novels", but the term "hentai" should be kept... I did, however, add that a game doesn't have to be a "visual novel" to contain adult scenes.... EDIT: Changed my mind about the quoting.
By "erotic" do you mean pornographic? Because something can be erotic without being pornographic... |
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crilix
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Of course I meant pornographic.
EDIT: And with the whole long text thingy I meant to say that the so called 'hentai games' (a term I tried avoiding) are visual novels as well, yet they don't fit the association with the term 'visual novel' that well since they're sex oriented. But using terms such as 'eroge' (erotic game), '18 over only game', or 'adult game' would be correct and more appropriate even for sex oriented games. 'Hentai' is not accepted by me in any case or for any medium. |
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