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Chester McCool
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Precure is a Toei original, while the rest are based on other peoples manga. More popular AND their own original baby = http://webmshare.com/play/447xn |
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JulieYBM
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Toei Animation doesn't fund their own series by themselves. They get funding from merchandisers and television networks. PreCure looks so good because it's staff love the series. Most of the good animators who have and continue to work on PreCure regularly are not in-house Toei animators. Itaoka Nishiki is from Studio Live, Nakatani Yukiko is from Studio Guts, Fujii Shingo is freelance and I believe Ota Kazuhiro is also freelance. |
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SuiSeiKen
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Well, that's not really an excuse I mean, if you don't have the resources, then you don't go on working on so many projects. That's why so many people are pissed off (and glad to see that Toriyama is included) and complain. But i don't think Toei will change his business plan : focusing on quantity over quality, earning much more money. Guess that's the path it chose to face the japanese animation crisis. |
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xzy123
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toriyama is old news. you don't see someone like oda complain anime now a day |
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ParkerALx
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Kanzenshuu probably has a better translation of Toriyama's quote, for those who are interested
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MajinAkuma
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Even Precure has its fair share of bad art. Even during the grand finales.
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Brutannica
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You're right; thanks for pointing this out. I've changed the quote to better fit with its interpretation (although the gist is mostly the same). I'm sorry for the mistakes. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Unless I've done my research wrong Harmony Gold never dubbed Z. |
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GATSU
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Though I have to say that Notari Matsutaro is based on a hella older and untested anime/manga than Sailor Moon, and it still had better production values than Crystal. So I think part of the reason for that is Toei has a terrible revenue-sharing deal with Kodansha and Takeuchi for SM; so they don't care as much about doing a good job.
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MrBonk
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The original music for DBZ feels mediocre (Outside of the OP/EDs and the songs based on those OP/EDs songs. Eyecatch and ep title jingles ). I first encountered DBZ subbed and everything always felt horribly mismatched. The music was boring,monotonous in instrumentation and arrangement with very little variety, generic ,and unfitting a lot of times. (Like the theme of Krillin's Death by Frieza. It's almost comical in the Japanese version. Horribly unfitting. Where as in Falconer's music, it's dark and foreboding. Filled with dread.) It wasn't very catchy, the themes weren't particularly memorable. I can't think of many I can hum off the top of my head. Where as the opposite is true with Falconer's OST.. It's honestly one of the worst soundtracks i've heard of anime of it's era. One thing the Japanese OST does very right is knowing when to shut up and leave silence and having a pashe for making sure there was live instrumentation. (Despite how monotonous it often is) That's one thing Falconer's music is very bad about. It needs to be American Cartoon esque with music constantly in your face and use low budget sampled sounds when not using synthesizers.. Normally i'm an advocate for leaving music alone. But DBZ is probably the only exception I make to this rule. If more of the soundtrack had been more like tracks like "Battle Point Unlimited" it'd be inclined to say otherwise. (The supposed plagarism withstanding) But I digress, it's not like they keep anyone from watching the show on home video with the soundtrack you prefer. |
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Kadmos1
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If Toriyama is dissatisfied with the adaptations, then why does DB Super even exist?I think that if a creator isn't satisfied with how something is adapted, the anime production studio should stop making said adaptation entirely or adjust to how a creator would prefer.
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SaitoHajime101
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I have to disagree to specifically replacement music. I understand the want and need to leave the content alone as its the original piece, however it doesn't always translate well over into another country. It falls in line with the same idea of translating jokes from Japanese to another language, sometimes the joke is either modified or entirely change for the change in audience. Once of my more favorite re-dubbed songs was the ending to Blue Gender. Aside from how terrible the show was overall, the English rendition of the song was done well enough to fit in better than the Japanese version. The vocals were much better. When I watched DBZ for the first time I was about 13 or so years old and the sense of "awesome" (lack of a better term) when Goku powered up or the feeling of dread when Cell or Freiza were around was amazing. The opening theme is very iconic. I watched the Japanese version not to log after that and, as it was mentioned by someone else in this thread, the music was very comical. This is just an example of how music sometimes can't translate over to another country. If you listen to music from Japan that was popular in the mid-90s to late 90s and compare to popular songs in the United States in the same time period, you'll find major differences in lyrical style and instrumentation. Late 90s Japanese music reminds me of 80s American music honestly. |
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BadNewsBlues
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I pretty much feel this way about Faulconer's material it's obnoxious, seldom ever works, and worse it's repetitious. I once said this on youtube and it rings no less true about Faulconer's material. But "guitars,synthesizers, and incoherent vocals played virtually non-stop and irregularly doesn't make everything better". It is nice though that the uncut dub of Kai retains Kikuchi's original score,all those years of Faulconer's score (on top of all the other issues with Funimation's dub) was hard.
Ummmmm no it's not it's example of people disagreeing over something that's not really up for debate. Plus it's funny how of all the countries that got DBZ in their native tongue only we Americans seem to be split on the music whereas everyone else is either indifferent or accepting towards the original soundtrack. Last edited by BadNewsBlues on Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:21 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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leafy sea dragon
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The soundtrack was a product of its time, and personally, was a smart move. DBZ was aimed at kids, and they probably would've preferred the rock guitar stuff going on. Most kids wouldn't even know what wuxia is outside of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (and maybe Kung Pow! Enter the First), and I remember when that was popular, most of the people I knew thought it was the only such movie in existence. If you step back and look at western animated action shows aimed at kids during that era, very few of them actually made extensive use of orchestrated music, or at least symphonic stuff. Swat Kats and Road Rovers had a similar rock guitar soundtrack. Samurai Jack, The Powerpuff Girls, and Code Lyoko relied on techno and funk. Darkwing Duck evoked styles of late 80's pop. TaleSpin used upbeat folk. Static Shockmade use of hip-hop and R&B. The DCAU was the only franchise that used a lot of orchestrated stuff, and I am certain that was a stylistic choice, as both Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series were callbacks to earlier decades in appearance and writing style (noir and zeerust, respectively). But basically, kids at the time weren't too interested in orchestrated stuff. That was the stuff their parents and those straight-A students listened to. While no one would truly know without a time machine and messing with the timeline, I do think DBZ would not have been as popular in North America had the original soundtrack stayed as it was. American kids do not associate action with orchestrated pieces.
The fact that Oda is now providing direct input for every One Piece movie indicates there was some level of dissatisfaction he had with the earlier ones. Oda doesn't watch much anime to begin with though. He prefers to consume western media.
Money, of course. If creators knew exactly how to make the stories as best as they could and was always wide-appealing, we wouldn't have such a thing as executive meddling. Executives are sometimes right. |
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SaitoHajime101
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BadNewsBlues, there's 2 reasons why a company in the US would split on this: Licensing of the music (think Oasis and Higashi no Eden or even to a degree BECK) or localization to related to the audience its airing for (think 4kids as they were notorious for this). Heck wasn't most of the Pokemon music replacements? Correct me if I'm wrong on the Pokemon front. What I don't understand here is why you don't think replacement music is up for debate? |
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