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Isao Takahata: Endless Memories

However, Grave of the Fireflies isn't a film that revels in showing the suffering of it's protagonists.

Sir! The maple-syrup in my blood demands satisfaction: Not only was the Animaze dub of Panda Go Panda treated as the sole one ("the English dub, produced decades later" ) but this then led to a slight on the honour of Canadian legend Walter Massey, who was erased from existence as Daddy (called so in his dub) Panda. THAT's the Papa I've known since I was very young.

The Chie the Brat coverage follows the age-old anime critic tradition of vaguely dismissing something old and underrated as 'not engaging' with only microscopic reasoning

Covering the history then ending it in a meaningless dismissal of its merits as a stand-alone work.

Or you know... the countless Japanese anime and manga from the same time (Joe season 2 aired in the 80s) that focuses on the exact same thing, from Ashita no Joe to Notari Matsutaro.

The author's only reason for saying the film is unengaging and unfunny...

it would've been interesting to note Gauche was key-animated by one person.

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However, Grave of the Fireflies isn't a film that revels in showing the suffering of it's protagonists.

Pfft I completely disagree but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

CandisWhite wrote:

Sir! The maple-syrup in my blood demands satisfaction: Not only was the Animaze dub of Panda Go Panda treated as the sole one ("the English dub, produced decades later" ) but this then led to a slight on the honour of Canadian legend Walter Massey, who was erased from existence as Daddy (called so in his dub) Panda. THAT's the Papa I've known since I was very young.

Whoa, hold the phone! This is the first I've heard of this dub. Is there more information on it?

Chiibi wrote:

Quote: However, Grave of the Fireflies isn't a film that revels in showing the suffering of it's protagonists. Pfft I completely disagree but everyone's entitled to their opinion.

If you could elaborate, the comment would have more weight.

No, actually the characters find elements of life worth living in the midst and show that perseverance is possible and partially successful. I think there is ample evidence that suffering is shown only incidentally as a result of the rather convincingly crafted real situation the characters find themselves in. Did Seita contribute? Yes, but I'd likely do the same and so would many others so his actions and decisions are believable and aren't for the sole purpose of having misery.

Frankly, I feel that the "suffering" angle falls a bit flat in Grave, because spoiler[ their deaths (at least at the moment shown in the film) were entirely preventable. Seita had access to money and therefore food, but he chose to access it too late. Had Seita withdrawn money to buy food earlier then he and Satsuko might have lived. That's not commentary about the horrors of war, that's someone making a poor decision and getting himself and his kid sister killed because of it.]

Seita's poor decisions leading to tragedy is kind of the point of the movie though, one that tends to fly over the heads of foreign audiences and critics expecting an "anti-war movie" (it's about as much of an anti-war movie as Gone with the Wind is an "anti-Reconstruction" one).

Hiroki not Takuya wrote:

Chiibi wrote: Quote: However, Grave of the Fireflies isn't a film that revels in showing the suffering of it's protagonists. Pfft I completely disagree but everyone's entitled to their opinion. If you could elaborate, the comment would have more weight.

I agree. As it stands right now chiibi your comment is very close to simple trolling without any sort of elaboration as to WHY you disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but we do expect people here to explain their opinions. Otherwise, beyond coming across as simple trolling, any sort of discussion is not really fostered without some sort of reasoning.