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TarsTarkas
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Sadly, they twisted Yuji's character so much that he became an unbelievable broken mess. By the time the series ended I could have cared less about closure and catharsis. It should be a meme, that anime fans and reviewers are all looking for secret social messages in anime. Perhaps it is an Illuminati plot. |
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Kicksville
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It's fine if you don't like the conclusions some people came to about what this show was doing, it really is. But I don't think it's fair to act like super basic cinematic/literary metaphor criticism is tantamount to conspiratorial ravings. Although more importantly, I think when a show goes and lays down imagery pretty explicitly taken from Evangelion, which even so many other Eva rip offs didn't dare to do, I don't think it's surprising for people to try to plumb the depths, as it were. Whether or not we agree on what the show was or wasn't trying to say, it ended up being pretty shallow. Set itself up for disappointment. |
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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That's because the anime didn't bother to give Yuji the characterization earlier on that would've made that development feel more natural. He was altered to be little different than every other cookie-cutter LN hero. Not that you would know given the novels were never localized. Last edited by ThatGuyWhoLikesThings on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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TarsTarkas
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The Illuminati comment was just a joke. Nor do I think there is some conspiracy.
Not sure what happened to #TheGreatestP4P's comment. Unless it was an auto corrected. Looking and finding supposed hidden social meanings seems to be a thing now. This is not an "either-or" thing. Yeah, some anime does have an underlying social commentary, but most often there is not one. In the case of "Darling in the Franxx" the creators put a stake in it. But if you or anyone got enjoyment or it made an anime show more interesting doing this, who am I to say anything. I and many others got tons of enjoyment from the many layers of the Puella Magi Madoka Magica TV series. |
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NeverConvex
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Not sure the creators 'put a stake in it' for trying to read social meaning into FranXX. The interviewee makes some pretty clear social commentary about his perceived need for maintaining clearly distinct genders, for the supposed role that plays in making sure kids are born, and focuses throughout his answer to the interviewer on the importance of marriage and children. Those're all socially charged statements, that they coexist in the same breath as him saying "We just kinda winged it LOL" notwithstanding.
Aside from this, interpretation of media isn't just about trying to tease out intended meaning of its creators. The audience's read of a work can be very different from the creator's, and that's OK. (Though, I think, not the case here. The FranXX interpretations very much focused on gender, marriage, kids, and then into how clumsily and haphazardly the show eventually handled them, which is exactly in line with the description given in the interview.) |
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johnnysasaki
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ANN must have felt that burning when he said that... |
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TasteyCookie
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Ah dang I wish I could have been there! Sounds like a great panel.
{Edit}: Leave out the bait comments next time. ~ Psycho 101 |
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Mad_Scientist
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The 1st novel, and I think the 2nd as well, were brought out by Viz (though I'm only finding the first on Amazon right now) but I guess they didn't do well because Viz abandoned the series afterwards. A real shame, as I've been super curious to read the novels ever since I finished the anime and heard about some of the changes and stuff that got left out. Well, maybe one day I'll finally learn Japanese. Anyways, digression aside sounds like an interesting panel. Not surprised to hear there was a somewhat interesting production process, during the second half of the show it really felt like they were just winging it at times. Aliens? Sure, why not. It was fun at times at least even if it fell flat for me more often then not. |
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CrowLia
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I find it interesting and a bit sad that the only reason for 002's design was "marketing appeal". I know this is a business and people need to sell first and foremost, but it gives it a dishonest and shallow feel to know that the character was created that way not for some artistic decision or to convey anything in particular, but for marketing purposes only.
Jesus, I was giving the show the benefit of the doubt regarding its gender politics as just "the writers didn't really think through the implications of the setting they created", but this response makes it clear there was awareness of what they were doing. And what does he even mean with the comment that "gender means something different in every country", because it sounds like he's trying to minimize the existence of genderqueer people in Japan -repeating the same old "Japan is different and exotic compared to The West(TM)" which has been proved false numerous times- which is honestly gross, especially given how the show treated it's non-straight non-gender-conforming characters. At least I'm grateful this question was asked, it was definitely important to clarify the writer's views on this subject even if the final message of the show seemed to amount to so little. I hope Zac will talk more about how that interview went on a future ANNCast. Also: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgeUKPxV4AAFzlf.jpg |
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Chester McCool
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From other sources I've seen, it sounds like the panel itself was full of that stuff When Tanaka did live drawings of Zero Two, Ichigo, and 01 he was also fielding questions from the audience. Q: What's the hardest part of drawing Zero Two and what's the best part about drawing Zero Two? A: Boobs Q:What's the hardest part of drawing Ichigo and what's the best part about drawing Ichigo? A: Boobs Nishigori: I'm gonna say something OTHER than boobs because the show isn't about that Tanaka: Are you SURE about that? Props to all of the Franxx team. I'm also not surprised to hear all the shipping nonsense was western-only. Shippers are crazy. |
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TheArsonAut
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"...but we got plenty of hate mail from America and Europe. We were taken by surprise, but it isn't going to change how we do things. Besides, all that feedback died down by episode 15."
Got it in quotes now, nobody rewrote or changed anything because of the Twitter controversy. 2. Japan is conservative, we should all probably know this by now. Even if they make weird cartoons, and that could be because people have so little of a creative outlet in their society. |
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Jonny Mendes
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What are you talking about. Japan is consider one of the most creative countries in the world. From arts, to technology, science and industry. Been conservative doesn't mean that is a bad thing and many conservatives are very creative people as we see what coming out of Japan. Also, just because some Americans or Europeans complain there is no reason to change anything as long as Japan is happy with the product, because they are the main audience. It was great of them to stick with their vision until the end even if it was a little crazy conclusion. |
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SilverTalon01
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That is just you confirming your own bias. According to the article, immediately after the part you quoted, he also said: "So it's not like we approached DARLING in the FRANXX with a theme or message to say. " Of course, as the guy also said, how you interpret it is up to you. If you're looking for that, you can find it. I would have been interested if he expanded on the "gender means something different in every country" part. I'm guessing the Q&A was done through a translator though? If so, I wouldn't assume too much from the specific wording. It is like playing telephone. You're just guessing what the guy guessing what they guy said thought he meant. Translation isn't an exact science so unless you both heard and understood what was originally said, over-analyzing one line of a translation in a vacuum is super pointless (especially if the translation was done live where the translator is rushing to very quickly produce a coherent sentence). |
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Lord Oink
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NeverConvex
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But ... he says that right after identifying several themes/messages he was aware of embedding in the show? Just because they didn't start from the outset with the explicit mission of focusing the show around those ideas doesn't mean they were unaware of their use of them in writing and production. |
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