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Actar
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:21 am
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Wow, I can't believe someone got worked up over this...
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MoonPhase1
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:12 am
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Actar wrote: | Wow, I can't believe someone got worked up over this... |
The general public these days get worked up over anything that exists these days. Then of course you have social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, etc. along with Change.org where those people can post anything negative about it and become very demanding. Like the Japanese style games are always being censored when localized to outside Japan just because someone on Twitter says oh no we can’t have that in the game and then these companies are like well ok then we will remove it because you say so even though those people are not actually fans but pretending that they are just to anger the fans. But those people on social media sites who say this stuff don’t seem to get that the content they want removed still exists in Japan.
It’s like Artists and Creators in Japan are becoming to a point where if it’s not kid-friendly, they are not allowed to have an imagination with their art. Like an outline of a crotch is not the same as actually showing the crotch area exposed. It was just an innocent picture that social media turning something innocent into being perverted.
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
Joined: 28 Jan 2020
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:27 am
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Lol at all the butthurt in the comments. I suggest y'all click on the original tweet and read some of the responses to it, there's a lot of thoughtful comments on it. In particular, a decent number of female Love Live fans felt uncomfortable with the male gaze-y aspects of the crotch hugging fabric. Is it not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things? Yeah, probably, but the displeasure from the Japanese public was genuine, whether they were familiar with LL or not.
It's time to retire this notion that Japan is somehow this "pure", "anti-Shonen Jump Weekly" country free of "Western politics". Japan's always had feminism and other related social/cultural movements, and it's always had its own discussions about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc etc. Just because it has different standards for portraying sexuality doesn't mean it's divorced from broader discussions about portraying sexuality, and trying to pretend one of the biggest nations in the world today is somehow "apolitical" is some real Orientalist bullshit. Japan isn't your safe space fantasy land free from eeeeeevil Western progressivism, it's a developed country with its own political and cultural movements going on. Always has been, always will be. Get used to it.
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:59 am
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On an unrelated note, I just realized my attempt to write person who cares about social justice was translated by the site as Shonen Jump Weekly, lol. ANN really knows how to troll the trolls.
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NiPah
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:24 am
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The Anime Binge-Watcher wrote: | Lol at all the butthurt in the comments. I suggest y'all click on the original tweet and read some of the responses to it, there's a lot of thoughtful comments on it. In particular, a decent number of female Love Live fans felt uncomfortable with the male gaze-y aspects of the crotch hugging fabric. Is it not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things? Yeah, probably, but the displeasure from the Japanese public was genuine, whether they were familiar with LL or not.
It's time to retire this notion that Japan is somehow this "pure", "anti-Shonen Jump Weekly" country free of "Western politics". Japan's always had feminism and other related social/cultural movements, and it's always had its own discussions about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc etc. Just because it has different standards for portraying sexuality doesn't mean it's divorced from broader discussions about portraying sexuality, and trying to pretend one of the biggest nations in the world today is somehow "apolitical" is some real Orientalist bullshit. Japan isn't your safe space fantasy land free from eeeeeevil Western progressivism, it's a developed country with its own political and cultural movements going on. Always has been, always will be. Get used to it. |
Ironically the initial outrage came from a Japanese model living in California, and boosted by an American living in Japan, personally I believe this is more a reaction to internet outrage then anyone living in Numazu. I still think it’s a shame and quite the over reaction to pretty tame imagery.
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faboo95
Joined: 28 Dec 2014
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:32 am
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Number #821189 wrote: | You all asked for this. Congratulations. |
This. When people say the minor censorships in anime and games aren't harmful, this is exactly where it leads to. It's a slippery slope and this is just the beginning.
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:41 am
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faboo95 wrote: |
Number #821189 wrote: | You all asked for this. Congratulations. |
This. When people say the minor censorships in anime and games aren't harmful, this is exactly where it leads to. It's a slippery slope and this is just the beginning. |
First they came for the cow tits, and I did not speak out, for I did not have cow tits.
Then they came for the fifteen-year-old crotch silhouettes, and I did not speak out because I was not fifteen.
Then they didn't come for the actual pedophiles like the author of Ruroni Kenshin, which seems like a far more pressing outrage in the grand scheme of things so maybe we should curb the hyperbole over wank fantasies getting 0.1% less wankable.
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RealMTL
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:42 am
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I honestly never even noticed that was a part of the design. I wonder if they'll actually go with the redesign?
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NiPah
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:01 am
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RealMTL wrote: | I honestly never even noticed that was a part of the design. I wonder if they'll actually go with the redesign? |
No they just took down all the signage and ended the event.
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strawberry-kun
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:27 am
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I’m not even bothered that they took this down, but I can’t imagine living life being so offended at everything that something as silly as this sign bothers you.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:30 am
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This is why social media should be avoided, it's bad for business and is nothing but a tool for censorship. The genie (social media) needs to be put back in the bottle and buried in the Earth's mantle as it's become too dangerous for society.
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Juno016
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:35 am
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It was pretty bizarre in the first place. Like, I don't actually find it problematic (I've seen enough sign tight suits in my life that the "outline of the crotch" issue just sounds silly), but I've never worn a skirt that does that and LL! is enjoyed by boys and girls alike in Japan, so it was likely just a personal choice of the artist rather than a marketing tactic. Awkward art could use some fixing.
Besides, maybe it's just me, but skirts that don't hug the body like magnets, but rather are subject to gravity that gives the illusion of bigger hips are muuuuuuch sexier. =P
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dragon695
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:48 am
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Juno016 wrote: | It was pretty bizarre in the first place. Like, I don't actually find it problematic (I've seen enough sign tight suits in my life that the "outline of the crotch" issue just sounds silly), but I've never worn a skirt that does that and LL! is enjoyed by boys and girls alike in Japan, so it was likely just a personal choice of the artist rather than a marketing tactic. Awkward art could use some fixing.
Besides, maybe it's just me, but skirts that don't hug the body like magnets, but rather are subject to gravity that gives the illusion of bigger hips are muuuuuuch sexier. =P |
I’ve heard that idol skirts are designed differently so as not to reveal undergarments while dancing. Still, I doubt they look like what is presented in the ad.
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TarsTarkas
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:04 pm
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It clearly didn't look right. If they truly wanted to show something, they should have used a different type of clothing.
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Mr.Shonen
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:15 pm
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Shadows are really offensive. Everyone knows that.
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