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This Week in Anime - Are Any of Those Netflix Anime Actually Good?


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Beatdigga



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:24 pm Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
Am I the only person who watched "Seis Manos"? I mean sure it was animated by Powerhouse, but it was actually produced by VIZ". That was a pretty damn good show.


It wasn’t made by the Japanese so anime fans hated it forever. Advertising non-anime as anime will piss people off no matter how good the action or big the cast.

The quality bounces a lot between their originals, but Ultraman, as per Netflix themselves, was the most watched anime of all their originals. Just saying. People want violence and big explosions.
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Skerlly Fc



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:39 pm Reply with quote
Just like any other Netflix production, most anime fans forget that Netflix either gives money to people that can create content for them, or people approach Netflix to create anime. For 98% of the time, they don't meddle with these productions, meaning that a production is as good or as bad as its staff wants to make them. For most anime fans, the opinions for a Netflix original anime mostly go like this:
a) If it's a good series, they remove Netflix from the equation and they say that the anime is good because of the staff or the execution and the likes.
b) If a series is bad, we blame Netflix for all the terrible decision made on the writing and technical parts, and the staff stops being important.
c)If a series is done in 3D, anime fans start claiming that Netflix is imposing an agenda on Japanese staff to create 3D shows, when it's the staffers that approach Netflix to do the content. Or they do the content in 3D and offer the license to Netflix.

I'd like to see an article that exposes these points with ore complexity and info research, because most of the Netflix originals that are reviewed on this column, are reviewed with the same cynicism that most anime fans have, or are reviewed from a narrow-minded perspective that if it's a Netflix original, it's bad. That's not objective criticism. For example, I saw people on forums that say that 7SEEDS got better on its 2nd season because Gonzo adapted 5 volumes in 12 episodes and the pacing is slow, so they heard the criticisms with the first season. But nobody on ANN wants to review the show and no anime fan has other way to know if the show actually got better. And there are people that liked and find Hero Mask better than these guys on this column.

Also, ANN should review more Netflix series really because most anime websites and youtubers don't care about reviewing Netflix Anime, and when I see a review on a site, it comes from an unknown blog that does a shallow review on those animes. And given the lack of reviews for these series, nobody wants to jump on a Netflix Anime blind and be dissapointed. For example, I think ANN will review Ghost in The Shell SAC 2045, but will we see a review for Drifting Dragons, another Netflix original which will be released on April 30? I don't have a way to know because the writers at this website don't give any indication about it. What I mean is, you should put more reviews for Netflix original anime, or do a monthly column where you can review all Netflix original anime released in a month, so that everybody knows what to watch and what not.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:43 pm Reply with quote
I remember enjoying B the Beginning a great deal when it aired (minus the supernatural part of the story) but now unfortunately I realize I don't remember much of it.

I wonder if binge watching has as much to do with it as it is believed, because I binge watched Devilman Crybaby as well and let's just say, oh boy, now THESE were some images I will never be able to get out of my head EVER!!!!
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Wyvern



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:55 pm Reply with quote
dm wrote:

A.I.C.O was okay. Also, weren't Kabanieri of the Iron Fortress and Kuromukuro Netflix exclusives? The first was excellent and I think belongs on your list. Kuromukuro was on a par with A.I.C.O., I think.


Only the Kabanieri movie is a Netflix exclusive. The TV series is on Amazon.
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Yune Amagiri



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:57 pm Reply with quote
Saw all of them and enjoyed pretty much all, the main reason is probably their animation.

In a time when production value keep dropping more and more and wasting so much animes, i'm willing to overlook the plot when we get some nice animations, having an exorbitant budget and more leeway as web anime rather than being in a hurry to finish in time for the time slot allocated like any TV anime certainly help in this regard.
However not all of them have bad plot per se, some like LEVIUS were even better than their "real original work", this serie in particular is unrecognizable.
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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:22 pm Reply with quote
I feel that the quality of the anime produced or acquired by Netflix varies considerably, there are some bad shows, but there are others that I really enjoyed. Although it seems that Netflix just focuses on getting more shows to expand their catalog and to compete with other services. I'm surprised that they got things like Ultraman, Saint Seiya and Ghost in the Shell, but I don't know how if they think too much in the quality of the works they obtain. In some way it reminds me of the channel Animax which I used to watch as a teen, there were some great shows but most of them were just filler, as I said I don't think they care too much.
One thing I like though is that their original shows get dubbed into many languages, and as a Spanish speaker it's great seeing modern anime being dubbed into spanish more frequently, and shows like Nanatsu no Taizai, Violet Evergarden, Hi-Score Girl and Kengan Ashura, among others got really good dubs. Sadly this only applies to their original shows, most of the anime not listed as a Netflix Original is not dubbed into Spanish, save for a few exceptions, like shows that aired on TV before.
I just hope that Netflix can improve their quality standards, but for now I'm satisfied with most of their content.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 pm Reply with quote
I hate netflix. Simulcast och perish, garbage site
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:54 pm Reply with quote
BEASTARS is definitely one of my favorites from the newer series; DmC was pretty interesting as well. Hi-Score Girl is pretty great too(still need to watch the 2nd season). I wouldn't mind them focusing on less-traditional types of series even at the expense of it being bad, for whatever reasons.

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Kirki wrote:
I remember enjoying B the Beginning a great deal when it aired (minus the supernatural part of the story) but now unfortunately I realize I don't remember much of it.

I wonder if binge watching has as much to do with it as it is believed, because I binge watched Devilman Crybaby as well and let's just say, oh boy, now THESE were some images I will never be able to get out of my head EVER!!!!


The main thing about binging for me is that it doesn't really allow discussion of segments of a story and posts tend to survey the entirety of the story rather than its individual parts. For example, the Saiyan arc of DBZ(simple example that everyone probably knows about); I could watch a single episode of Yamcha getting destroyed by a Saibaman, where me and other faithful watchers would have a week to dissect the events of the episode and poke fun at him, or allowing for more discussion of the series in general and over a longer period of time. Whereas, if I binge-watch the whole arc, it might not even come up in a general post about the series over other more interesting parts, as you'll generally want to be concise when making some post of a forum somewhere. That conciseness tends to give the series an overall look, and with no expounding of other smaller aspects of the series you like as well as others viewpoints of those same aspects, it kinda gets lost in memory. This holds even more truth in situations where the story has some kinds of twists, and binge-watching doesn't really give the opportunity of letting the story soak in.
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Zhou-BR



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:54 pm Reply with quote
In my opinion, discounting shows that aired weekly on Japanese TV while Netflix refused to simulcast them to the rest of the world, the best Netflix originals are Devilman Crybaby, AICO and Kengan Ashura, in that order. By the way, I'd trade every original show in Netflix's pipeline for another season of Kengan Ashura.

Surprisingly enough, another Netflix original I'd love to see continued is 7Seeds. The second season was a huge improvement on the first one, slowing down to a reasonable pace and giving the characters room to breathe. Hell, even those not-so-nice-people Ango and Ryo grew on me.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:04 pm Reply with quote
I really like A.I.C.O. -Incarnation- and still remember it!

On the other hand, I still remember stupidity of B Begining finale...
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Multi-Facets



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:14 pm Reply with quote
MesousaGaby wrote:
Devilman Crybaby is just misery porn.


Try the manga. I'd be very profane about how sad it is, but I don't think I can get away with that here, even with heavy censorship. Actually, virtually every incarnation of the "Devilman" story is a tragedy. (That's not to say I'm not a fan of the original manga and OVA, however.)

Anyway, while there are eight different anime available on Netflix streaming that I enjoy -some are original productions, some aren't-, out of all the options to stream, it's still hard for me personally to find any that catch my interest. There simply doesn't seem to be enough variety. To get a bigger selection, one needs to have the streaming platform and the DVDs mailed to your residence. I think this feeds into part of the problem Nick and Micchy were discussing in their article. If someone likes a Netflix anime production -or any of the anime they have the rights to- then that's great. But honestly, there isn't enough variety for everyone in the streaming options.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:21 pm Reply with quote
I originally picked up a subscription to Netflix to give their anime offerings a chance. I dropped my Netflix subscription about 6 months ago. That tells you all you need to know about my affinity to Netflix's entire approach.
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russ869



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:37 pm Reply with quote
Come to think of it that Chinese live-action Kaiji film on netflix had random unexplained clowns in it too...
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Sven Viking



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:04 pm Reply with quote
kryten2x4p wrote:
I'm enjoying 7SEEDS!

I just really wish they’d allowed 7Seeds a length that made sense for it Sad. Also, even in its ridiculously compressed state it seems low budget compared to their other shows. Why?

I personally enjoyed Ajin. Doroheroro is pretty impressive if they ever get around to releasing it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:16 pm Reply with quote
Skerlly Fc wrote:
Just like any other Netflix production, most anime fans forget that Netflix either gives money to people that can create content for them, or people approach Netflix to create anime. For 98% of the time, they don't meddle with these productions, meaning that a production is as good or as bad as its staff wants to make them. For most anime fans, the opinions for a Netflix original anime mostly go like this:
a) If it's a good series, they remove Netflix from the equation and they say that the anime is good because of the staff or the execution and the likes.
b) If a series is bad, we blame Netflix for all the terrible decision made on the writing and technical parts, and the staff stops being important.
c)If a series is done in 3D, anime fans start claiming that Netflix is imposing an agenda on Japanese staff to create 3D shows, when it's the staffers that approach Netflix to do the content. Or they do the content in 3D and offer the license to Netflix.

I'd like to see an article that exposes these points with ore complexity and info research, because most of the Netflix originals that are reviewed on this column, are reviewed with the same cynicism that most anime fans have, or are reviewed from a narrow-minded perspective that if it's a Netflix original, it's bad. That's not objective criticism. For example, I saw people on forums that say that 7SEEDS got better on its 2nd season because Gonzo adapted 5 volumes in 12 episodes and the pacing is slow, so they heard the criticisms with the first season. But nobody on ANN wants to review the show and no anime fan has other way to know if the show actually got better. And there are people that liked and find Hero Mask better than these guys on this column.

Also, ANN should review more Netflix series really because most anime websites and youtubers don't care about reviewing Netflix Anime, and when I see a review on a site, it comes from an unknown blog that does a shallow review on those animes. And given the lack of reviews for these series, nobody wants to jump on a Netflix Anime blind and be dissapointed. For example, I think ANN will review Ghost in The Shell SAC 2045, but will we see a review for Drifting Dragons, another Netflix original which will be released on April 30? I don't have a way to know because the writers at this website don't give any indication about it. What I mean is, you should put more reviews for Netflix original anime, or do a monthly column where you can review all Netflix original anime released in a month, so that everybody knows what to watch and what not.


Your first mistake is assuming that TWIA articles are meant to be anime reviews. They're formatted as casual conversations. What makes you think they're doing a comprehensive review of the shows they're tackling?
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