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CatzCradle wrote:

Quote: There's something seriously wrong with a BL story when the sex scenes feel tacked-on. Quote: Admittedly, this is the whole point of the genre Umm...But doesn't BL (or Boy's love) mean shounen ai? I think you've mistaken that for yaoi... BL is more about the story between the characters rather that having sex like yaoi...

No offense, but you're the one who has been mislead by the American fan community's labels. There is no porn/not porn distinction in Japan, it's all BL.

The sooner American fans do away with the shonen-ai and yaoi labels, the better.

Akukaze wrote:

CatzCradle wrote: Quote: There's something seriously wrong with a BL story when the sex scenes feel tacked-on. Quote: Admittedly, this is the whole point of the genre Umm...But doesn't BL (or Boy's love) mean shounen ai? I think you've mistaken that for yaoi... BL is more about the story between the characters rather that having sex like yaoi... No offense, but you're the one who has been mislead by the American fan community's labels. There is no porn/not porn distinction in Japan, it's all BL. The sooner American fans do away with the shonen-ai and yaoi labels, the better.

Better for who? I mean, it doesn't seem like this is an important issue, by any means.

State side shounen ai and the like are still commonly used. It's elitest yaoi/bl-fans that stick to the more recent development in terminology where Yaoi and yuri (to the best of my knowledge they're still used in Japan, it was mentioned in an episode of Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei for instance ) have become all encompassing terms.

To be honest I think it's pretty stupid. It makes sense to have distinctions between different types of work in a genre, though I suppose it hardly matters since the only people that are into dirty yaoi are also in the same group that like the less erotic stuff.

There's something seriously wrong with a BL story when the sex scenes feel tacked-on. Here are these guys, just having a nice little man-to-man relationship, romantic tension on the rise, and then BOOM! Suddenly the clothes are coming off right in the middle of the empty classroom or wherever. Admittedly, this is the whole point of the genre—but when it comes out of nowhere, it just feels awkward, like someone was running out of pages and suddenly had to fulfil the naughty quota

babbo wrote:

State side shounen ai and the like are still commonly used. It's elitest yaoi/bl-fans that stick to the more recent development in terminology where Yaoi and yuri (to the best of my knowledge they're still used in Japan, it was mentioned in an episode of Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei for instance ) have become all encompassing terms. To be honest I think it's pretty stupid. It makes sense to have distinctions between different types of work in a genre, though I suppose it hardly matters since the only people that are into dirty yaoi are also in the same group that like the less erotic stuff.

Just because Americans want to pigeonhole everything doesn't mean we have to. Shonen Ai hasn't been produced for years, why use the term? I question the claim yaoi isn't used since it pops up a lot in anime if you're looking for it (Hare+Guu, for example. Excel Saga.) Maybe people in the BL industry & fandom there use BL, but it still seems the layman in Japan (or maybe just anime scriptwriters) uses yaoi.

It's like ecchi & hentai--I usually see both terms translated as pervert or something along those lines when they pop up in an anime.

babbo wrote:

State side shounen ai and the like are still commonly used. It's elitest yaoi/bl-fans that stick to the more recent development in terminology where Yaoi and yuri (to the best of my knowledge they're still used in Japan, it was mentioned in an episode of Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei for instance ) have become all encompassing terms. To be honest I think it's pretty stupid. It makes sense to have distinctions between different types of work in a genre, though I suppose it hardly matters since the only people that are into dirty yaoi are also in the same group that like the less erotic stuff.

Just because Americans want to pigeonhole everything doesn't mean we have to. Shonen Ai hasn't been produced for years, why use the term? I question the claim yaoi isn't used since it pops up a lot in anime if you're looking for it (Hare+Guu, for example. Excel Saga.) Maybe people in the BL industry & fandom there use BL, but it still seems the layman in Japan (or maybe just anime scriptwriters) uses yaoi.

It's like ecchi & hentai--I usually see both terms translated as pervert or something along those lines when they pop up in an anime.

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It's like ecchi & hentai--I usually see both terms translated as pervert or something along those lines when they pop up in an anime.

Duh? That's what they literally mean in the situations you've noticed it. But it's become common terminology for English speakers to use hentai to refer to manga/anime pr0n. It doesn't really change anything on either side of the language barrier though.

And it's not like this sort of thing is a one-sided thing for English speakers. I mean god, the Japanese butcher English into their vocabulary on a regular basis.

Yes, I know they butcher it. I always listen in Japanese when there's English spoken to see how well the actor handles it since some people are so picky on how our guys handle it. I just assumed if a girl screams "ecchi" it's a bit milder than when she screams "hentai" not unlike English words have milder & worse slangs (like jerk vs creep).

Does it really matter all that much? Virtually everyone here gets what people mean when they say yaoi or shounen ai.

teferi wrote:

Does it really matter all that much? Virtually everyone here gets what people mean when they say yaoi or shounen ai.

Sadly enough, to quote a comment someone made to me at one time "is that one of those gay Japanese porno comics you're reading?" And this was in reference to a copy of Invisible Boy that was lying on my desk.

And of course I just know there is going to be someone who is going to argue with me over the meanings of ecchi and hentai ... I don't care.

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How far would you go for your fandom?

I'm buying a melodica so I can play Rhapsody in Blue!!!

Off the top of my head I don't think any native English speaker would use "my Pace" to as an adjective to describe someone. But it's all over anime and manga.

I know.
SHow Hayami is one of the better VA's with English, but that line they gave him to say in Decendants of Darkness is so awkward. I was--oo, he said it well, but would English speakers say it? And on the American side, the quality control would likely be to get someone fluent in the language to provide the proper line so someone wouldn't tear it apart when the show came out.

It's just easier to throw it all under one blanket term. The only people I ever really see trying to separate yaoi from shonen ai are the ones who have issues with porn (It's ruining our anime/manga!) or the ones who want the smut & are pissed when they get something tame. Look at the age rating. I never bother myself, but it does matter. Over at Boys on Boys, the moderator asked & was actually told some of the things that make a title 801 vs June (can one tell what is being inserted where or is it more shapeless? Number of fingers & again, can one tell where they're going? There are actually some standards at these companies) It has less to do with the amount of sex as much as the clarity of the sex.