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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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I might agree with Matt Greenfield's sentiments if it appeared that was the case. From what I can see however is that the bootlegs translations and scripts appear to be done "in-house" so to speak.
It's one thing to take a stand, and as a business, I can fully apprecaite why he wants to do so. However, giving false information is not going to help his case. Even if the fansubbers stopped, the bootleg DVD's would not. Last edited by Godaistudios on Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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abunai
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Posts: 5463 Location: 露命 |
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You must have overlooked the link, right there at the bottom of the article. This link is harder to overlook, neh? -abunai |
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Pandemonium
Posts: 102 Location: Canada, NS |
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On one hand, fansubs opened anime/manga up to North America and other parts of the world since it was next to impossible to find any of it way back when. They made no profit and most stopped when the series got licensed.
On the other hand, the fansubbing groups of today...you don't see them out making money off corners selling bootleg copies, the problem is people aquiring the fansubs, and selling them over ebay. But there is also the question of why do fansubbing groups keep putting out eps after eps, and series after series of licensed anime and newly licensed anime? It's probably because companies...I'll use ADV as a good example...who look to see what's popular (I'm guessing, but they probably just go to the major fansubbing groups, view the tracker stats and see what's going fast) scoop up the license to that series and let it sit around for years with no sign of releasing it soon, then the time comes when the contract is almost up and then release one DVD and don't do anything else with it. |
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beelzebozo
Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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Speed Racer was one of those on the list. It was very violent for what was considered children's television. Speed was known to puch and kick people all over place, as well as the bullets flying that would actually hit things. To give some perspective, the old "Dungeons & Dragons" Saturday morning cartoon was labeled one of the the most violent shows on the market in its time by these same people.
How much stronger do you need? Those fans that went pro turned around and sold the product to the people that they knew they could sell to, the gang back at the anime club. This provided the foothold that allowed them to license bigger products that would appeal to the masses. And Yu-Gi-Oh & Pokemon wouldn't have been such big "anime" hits if there weren't people around going "Pokemon? Oh, did you know that's Japanese? Do you want to see more like it?" |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Okay, I've heard some silly arguments in my time, but this is one of the worst I've seen in awhile. When it comes to licenses, it's rare to see it take a year or longer for the first DVD to come out. I've seen DVD's of series as early as four months of an announcement. The average time I typically see is about six to nine months however, and there can be numerous issues as to why. Years? While there are a few notable exceptions, it's not the general rule. While I can understand why you might take issue for different reasons, using misinformation in order to strengthen your point is going to get you nowhere. |
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Pandemonium
Posts: 102 Location: Canada, NS |
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Okay, I can understand that 'years' might be an extreme, but looking at the Anime Expo 03 list of licensed anime that ADV claimed, that would be at least more than one year now, about 5 of more than a dozen I looked at have nothing released as of yet. And I do not claim to know if they are in progress at the moment. So I'm not exactly wrong, just a little extreme on how long.
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cyrax777
Posts: 1825 Location: the desert |
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the reason why the sit on titles is so they dont flood the market. atleast thats my take on it.
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Nagisa
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Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
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Well, you don't honestly expect them to simultaneously work on some 12-20 titles all at once, do you? Talk about burnout... |
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Pandemonium
Posts: 102 Location: Canada, NS |
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Well I know that, but say one company licenses 14 series a year, from then to that time next year, they release half and license another 14, and so on. Going like that, it would just be a never ending cycle. So a year+ doesn't seen that far off.
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RabbitRevolution
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I don't think the comparison of doujinshi and fansubs works. Doujinshi artists create spin-offs of popular manga that are meant to complement, rather than to substitute for, them. To get the real story, fans must actually read the original work. After watching an entire anime series fansubbed however, what motivation do many fans have to buy it? Of course there are fans who want better picture/sound quality, a dub, and decent (rather than sloppy) subtitles, but there are just as many fans who don't care enough to buy. I'm not arguing against fansubs here, but I just think that the issue of doujinshi is a whole different ball game.
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beelzebozo
Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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While I do think fansubs can become a problem, I think Greenfield needs to look at what's going on before placing too much blame on them. Many bootleggers are now simply ripping the R1 discs, putting more per disc and selling them.
Stopping fansubbers won't stop the bootleggers. They will simply go back to doing the work themselves and ripping the work off R1 releases when they come out. Stopping fansubs won't stop bootleggers. Going after bootleggers & their sellers will stop bootleggers. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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That's almost exactly my point... I've seen a local bootleg seller in a shopping mall here, and they were R1 rips from Hong Kong. The other stuff that wasn't licensed were not from fansubbers scripts, but stuff that was done "in-house" If Matt Greenfield wants to stamp out bootleggers, then more power to him... but he shouldn't put the blame where it doesn't belong. Moreso, he shouldn't create a dogma that somehow it will stop if fansubbing stops. |
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cyrax777
Posts: 1825 Location: the desert |
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wait IRC didn't ADV start as fansubbers who eventaly went commerical?
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Sword of Whedon
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You missed what he was saying. The fact that people can download fansubs, and more importantly the BOOTLEGGERS are downloading them as well, and getting DVDs on the street as fast as they can fill a disc has completely sabotaged the ability of the Japanese companies to sell their properties to mainland Asia. It's not going to be ADV suing the fansubbers, it's the Japanese studios. |
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Pandemonium
Posts: 102 Location: Canada, NS |
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Japanese Studios suing fansubbers...isn't that the total opposite of what the article was about when you get down to it? They view it as promotion. From what I've noticed, it actually is ADV and others who have aquired the licenses from Japan that will take action against the groups.
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