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HitokiriShadow
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They are choosing not to tell stories about women. This reinforces and normalizes the idea of male as the default and women as secondary and less important. That you got so up in arms at the idea that this is old and maybe it would be nice to have something a little different is a symptom of that. And in case it wasn't clear, that was two (separate, but related) points. The dearth of stories starring women, about and from their perspective, is a harmful effect itself. Last edited by HitokiriShadow on Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I'd like to have something like Gunbuster, Blue Gender, or Stellvia where it's a female protagonist, but it's not just other women pilots whom she leads (Strain, Dina Giga, Rinne no Lagrange, Jinki Extend, Divergence Eve, Rayearth, Bubblegum Crisis). You got some shows that mix things like like Aquarion EVOL, Muv-Luv, Majestic Prince, Break Blade, Nadesico, Godannar, Gravion, Vandread, very few Gundams... mostly everything else will have maybe a token woman pilot or two, or none at all.
There's a lot of mecha I haven't gotten to yet, so I don't know the case for Zone of the Enders, Dual Parallel Trouble, Zegapain, or Fafner, and I barely remember what Betterman or Gunparade March did. Brain Powerd did have a mixed sex group and focused a lot on the orange-haired girl, but it's Brain Powerd. I think it'd be a fun exercise to start from Mazinger and list all of the female-protagonist mecha, including one-shots like Leda or OVAs like Iczer-1. Unfortunately, you'll also get stuff like Gundress and Project ICE. |
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pajmo9
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I believe the majority of the pilots in Dual Parallel Trouble and Zegapain were woman. If my memory serves me, the person who was supposed to be the best pilot in Zegapain was a women. As for Betterman, it had a female and male pilot for each mecha. I wonder where Dilandau would fall in to all of this? 
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HitokiriShadow
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I thought Strain had a mix, but maybe that was only the initial group. But yeah, while some female only groups are good too, only that is not enough. While it's not mecha, Mouretsu Pirates is good example. There was the club that was just girls but her pirate group was mixed sex. Maaaan, that movie can't come soon enough. |
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Chagen46
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A person who cares about social justice. Thanks to a minority of them being incredibly dumb on Tumblr, the phrase is now a snarl word and pejorative used by not-so-nice-people to decry any attempt to fix prejudices in modern society. Nowadays if you say even something simple like "there's too many male characters", some whiny fuck WILL come and say "OMG GTFO BACK TO TUMBLR YOU STUPID Shonen Jump Weekly"* Ignore everyone who uses the word as a pejorative. Your life will be much better. *: Speaking of, I have never seen a criticism of Tumblr that doesn't boil down to "There's wimmniz in it and that scares me" |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Eh, Mouretsu Pirates just became a chore and a snore of an anime to me. The lack of any kind of lasting tension or excitement just drained my enjoyment of the show. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Yes, I'm familiar with the full words and how they get used an insult. It's one of those words that says a lot more about those who use it than those they insult with it. |
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VORTIA
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No kidding. I kept waiting for the piracy to happen and it never came. Apparently by "privateers" they meant were just some sort of licensed, armed courier-minstrels. I stalled out at episode 21 and just couldn't bring myself to finish it. The universe and characters were remarkably well crafted, but it all just seemed like so much over-dramatized nothing. I'll finiah it eventually, I took it too far not to, but I doubt it'll alleviate my disappointment. |
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Crisha
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This is outside the context of the discussion - and I debated even posting this - but this is getting ridiculous. (Yes, what I provide below is mainly in regards to Western media, but since the statement seemed to be a very general "how is this (lack of gender, races or sexualities) harmful for anyone?", I decided to go beyond the scope of Japanese media). Perhaps to get a perspective from Persons of Color who are frustrated by the lack of PoC representation within fiction, entertainment, and media: Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear and A Conversation I WANT to Have I Didn't Dream of Dragons And in regards to women in media: Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media - with research studies and reports on:
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You've stated yourself that it makes sense for a medium that's mostly run by males to create stories with characters they would most identify with (i.e. males)? Well, then, by that same logic it stands to reason that females want to see more lead females. And it's frustrating when it doesn't happen and can lead to self-esteem issues for those growing up. Since male is the norm and female is the deviant, it's normal and okay for both genders to understand and relate to male leads. But only women can really understand female leads, or so the justification goes. And if you're interested: Privilege 101 |
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ThursdayErryday
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Wait, I thought Calvinism and Puritanical beliefs in predestination died out in the 16th century cos everyone thought that it was a load of garbage. There are still people out there that are paranoid enough to legitimately think that society is one big sexist conspiracy out to ruin teh wimenz ad forever bind them to the kitchen while bigging up a non-existant patriarchy because all cis, white, het males are the spawn of the devil? Wow. We really do live in the modern version of the middle ages. Why can't we all just get along with each other and talk about the merits of the series instead of making false judgements about everyone based on their gender, sexual orientation and happiness with their life just because we need to make other people feel bad to make ourselves feel better? tldr: social justice was a great idea, but people are taking this way too far. If you want to make an unpopular point, at least make an effort to be civil about it instead of throwing 'privilege' around like it's a thing that actually exists outside of people's heads. EDIT: Uh-oh, I necro'd a thread that's months old. Sorry about that 
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