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NEWS: Canadian Arrested for Importing Loli-porn Manga


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Leigh Garbs



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Ah, no need for apologies. It's funny how we both thought that was a legitimate news article though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
JiJi McPaws wrote:
Shame on the guy for importing it, but are the laws different in Canada? Just like they say, Anime depicts cartoon charachters, meaning a drawing, fiction.


Yes, in Canada, drawings and even just plain text of titillating descriptions of underaged sexual activity are illegal unless you can prove "artistic merit".


Reminder: Don't bring the book "Lolita" to Canada.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:00 pm Reply with quote
Leigh Garbs wrote:
Ah, no need for apologies. It's funny how we both thought that was a legitimate news article though.


yeah..but this however is article in the Denver post is very real
http://www.theescapist.com/pokemon1.htm

which is weird because its quite similiar to the parody
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:10 pm Reply with quote
If anyone is curious aboutthe state of child porn laws in Canada, this is a good read.

Child Porn is legal in Canada provided it is

1. Writings or drawings, from the imagination (not using real children), of sexually explicit depictions of children are acceptable providing they are for personal use only; and

2. Videos or photographs of lawful sexual activity in which the accused is shown, providing they are for private use only and not distributed, (for example, sexual activities between two adolescents, providing they are 14 years* of age or over, and legally able to give a valid consent).

These two exceptions were added to the existing Child Porn law in 2001 by the Supreme Court of Canada in their ruling on the case of John Robin Sharpe (see above link).

The man who was arrested was importing commercial products, which even if they were for "his personal use" they weren't created for "personal use."

-t

*Age of consent in Canada is 14 years, however there are some limitations on sex between teenagers aged 14-17 and adults. The law requires that the adult not be any position of influence over the child (teachers, family friends, employers, priests and such...), that no money trade hands and that the sex be 100% concesual (no blackmailing or what not).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:49 pm Reply with quote
lolicon, beastiality, and other illegal sex acts are legal in drawing form in the US, however obscenity is still illegal. Some retards in Texas got a comicbook seller busted for selling Urotsukidoji manga, for instance. So lolicon works could get you busted under an obscenity charge.

Obscenity itself is retarded and shouldn't even exist, because there is no such thing as a work without merit.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:54 pm Reply with quote
Chris is right. Although I can't bring myself to condone this in anyway, he shouldn't be convicted. Of course, I think this issue has more to do with strict Canadian importation laws and border restrictions than it does with actual possession. That's a whole different ballgame.

I am glad to see, however, that the article explicitly points out that lolicon and hentai are merely an offshoot that can have the potential to make the medium as a whole look obscene. If the article actually gave the impression that the artstyle was predominently pornographic, then I'd be worried.
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Maceart



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:52 pm Reply with quote
This...is...just...sad.

Canadians, you guys are almost as bad as evangelist Christians here in the 'states. It's DRAWINGS. It's AN ART. Wow, and they even searched the guys house? Give him a break for gods sake.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:53 pm Reply with quote
Oh yeah, I forgot that this could still make Canadians look bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:21 pm Reply with quote
1)Here's the full article

http://img201.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img201&image=loliarrest2jd.jpg

2)Don't blame Canadians. We thankfully don't condone pedophilia in the form of doujins, as loli hentai is more or less a substitute for child porn =/
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:28 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
If anyone is curious aboutthe state of child porn laws in Canada, this is a good read.

Child Porn is legal in Canada provided it is

1. Writings or drawings, from the imagination (not using real children), of sexually explicit depictions of children are acceptable providing they are for personal use only; and

2. Videos or photographs of lawful sexual activity in which the accused is shown, providing they are for private use only and not distributed, (for example, sexual activities between two adolescents, providing they are 14 years* of age or over, and legally able to give a valid consent).

These two exceptions were added to the existing Child Porn law in 2001 by the Supreme Court of Canada in their ruling on the case of John Robin Sharpe (see above link).

The man who was arrested was importing commercial products, which even if they were for "his personal use" they weren't created for "personal use."

-t

*Age of consent in Canada is 14 years, however there are some limitations on sex between teenagers aged 14-17 and adults. The law requires that the adult not be any position of influence over the child (teachers, family friends, employers, priests and such...), that no money trade hands and that the sex be 100% concesual (no blackmailing or what not).


I was just gonna post about that

and for people who don't know, Child Porno is a very serious subject up here

unlike the states, our main problems aren't murders and robberies but this itself, cause there have been tons of people who have kidnapped and raped little girls and boys, which led to this law being made

but it was stupid before this law has they were going to ban ANYTHING that involved children under 18 in some form of sexual act, ie EVEN disney's Peter Pan movie

anyone around the toronto area or even just in canada would know about the Holly Jones case.

Her Murder just found her off the street and took her, only 10 mins from her house when she was going home from a friend's house
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:58 pm Reply with quote
greets

Great, another anti-anime/manga news article. The "defenders of good costume and values and manners and etc" of the world are going to come down on this like a meteor. Specially those nimrod religious fanatics in the U.S., who like to boss around. Twisted Evil

Keep an eye open on petitiononline.com or .org or .wtv for further developments on this... Smile

The advantage of living in a backwater country like PT is that we're sorta immune to these sort of things, because those here that are even aware of anime still consider it for kids.

Regarding the news itself, everything is wrong about it: the why, the how, the report. However i do understand that 'normal' people might tend to see child porn, no matter how it comes by, as something to eliminate.

Anyways, input is appreciated.
cheers
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:12 pm Reply with quote
Isaaru wrote:
Leigh Garbs wrote:
Ah, no need for apologies. It's funny how we both thought that was a legitimate news article though.


yeah..but this however is article in the Denver post is very real
http://www.theescapist.com/pokemon1.htm

which is weird because its quite similiar to the parody

Essentially the same. I think that the Denver Post found that site and thought it was legit. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:19 pm Reply with quote
ferrarimanf355 wrote:
Regarding the "anime has been given a black eye" quip:
Kinda reminds me of the MSM's news articles on video games. 99 percent of the time, they will mention Grand Theft Auto at one point, screw up a description of GTA's gameplay and leave you with the thought that all video games are violent and depraved in morals. Evil or Very Mad


You silly person, any responsible mainstream media-type will tell you that Grand Theft Auto and its sequels are the only video games ever made. If there were other, less violent video games, I'm sure they'd report on them, but this is impossible. Duh. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:07 pm Reply with quote
Armagguedes wrote:
greets

Great, another anti-anime/manga news article.


Read the article again. There's nothing anti-anime about it. It specifically states that hentai and anime are not synonymous.
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Leigh Garbs



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:28 pm Reply with quote
AnimeHeretic wrote:
Isaaru wrote:
Leigh Garbs wrote:
Ah, no need for apologies. It's funny how we both thought that was a legitimate news article though.


yeah..but this however is article in the Denver post is very real
http://www.theescapist.com/pokemon1.htm

which is weird because its quite similiar to the parody

Essentially the same. I think that the Denver Post found that site and thought it was legit. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened though.

Now that you mention it, that Landover Baptist article did seem to be a version of the Denver Post article, except with more "enthusiastic" passages inserted here and there ... I also noticed that "pocket monsters" was replaced with "pocket demons". Not that any of this has anything to do with what is supposed to be being discussed. Smile
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