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NEWS: ANN CEO Speaks on Oreimo Episode Leak

You can't say fansubs are useless. There are tons of shows out there that don't get simulcast that people would still like to watch subbed.

Back to the news post at hand, episode leaking is terrible. Fans need to learn patience.

SonicRenegade84 wrote:

Ok, now I KNOW i'm missing something here. I've never heard of fansubs being bad before, so when did this start happening?

Once fansubs went digital, things just sort of built up. Fansubbers who ignored requests not to sub their shows. Fansubbers who ignored when licenses were announced. People who just ripped legit releases and put them up on Youtube or their pirate websites. There's lots of nonlegit sites charging for subscriptions or making money off ads [which was what OneManga was doing until they were closed].

They don't pay the artists anything, and make tons of money off of naive fans who don't know that they're smacking around their favorite manga artists everytime they click on a new page, or that by watching "free" streams of shows on MarySue'sRandomIllegalStreamingSite rather then watching a free stream on ANN, CR, TANetwork or FUnimation, they're depriving the animators of much needed income, often while watching the *same* shows

You can't say fansubs are useless. There are tons of shows out there that don't get simulcast that people would still like to watch subbed.

I understand it when the show is licensed (i've known about that kind of pirating stuff for a while now) , but what about shows that are still unlicensed and showing in Japan? And how do fansub groups get money off stuff when groups like Chihiro and Coalguys say they do their subs for free?

No. No. NO. We are NOT having a fansub debate here.

SonicRenegade84 wrote:

I understand it when the show is licensed (i've known about that kind of pirating stuff for a while now) , but what about shows that are still unlicensed and showing in Japan? And how do fansub groups get money off stuff when groups like Chihiro and Coalguys say they do their subs for free?

I was mostly referring to sites who then take the content they pirated and make a profit off it, like how MangaFox and OneManga have with pirated manga [there's anime sites of that sort, but I'm not going to link to them here]. They empower those criminal organizations by providing the content- I have no idea if any groups are involved with those sites, though MangaFox is infamous for having inhouse scanlation teams, as well as their habit of posting scans of licensed editions of titles upon request.

I imagine some fan translators do try to be responible, but there's a lot of corruptiong out there, and that corruption is making it all something that we don't need anymore.

I guess that puts rest to the "the hacker changed the 1 to a 2" speculation.

Paploo wrote:

SonicRenegade84 wrote: Ok, now I KNOW i'm missing something here. I've never heard of fansubs being bad before, so when did this start happening? Once fansubs went digital, things just sort of built up. Fansubbers who ignored requests not to sub their shows. Fansubbers who ignored when licenses were announced. People who just ripped legit releases and put them up on Youtube or their pirate websites. There's lots of nonlegit sites charging for subscriptions or making money off ads [which was what OneManga was doing until they were closed]. They don't pay the artists anything, and make tons of money off of naive fans who don't know that they're smacking around their favorite manga artists everytime they click on a new page, or that by watching "free" streams of shows on MarySue'sRandomIllegalStreamingSite rather then watching a free stream on ANN, CR, TANetwork or FUnimation, they're depriving the animators of much needed income, often while watching the *same* shows

I understand it when the show is licensed (i've known about that kind of pirating stuff for a while now) , but what about shows that are still unlicensed and showing in Japan? And how do fansub groups get money off stuff when groups like Chihiro and Coalguys say they do their subs for free?

Paploo: I understand your position as an artist and content creator. I think we all do. But I'm getting tired of hearing in every thread you post in lately about how you're tired of the fandom. People who cut down and try to harm creators are not fans. Can you please give the soapboxing a rest and stop tarring the whole community with the same broad brush? Thank you.

dtm42 wrote:

No. No. NO. We are NOT having a fansub debate here.

Anime got pirated. Anime companies suffered. Anime fans suffered.
Fansubs are a part of this, and the part of fandom that celebrates them is the sort that enables this sort of behaviour. If mods would rather I not talk about it, okay, but as far as I know, talking about the negative impacts of piracy is something that's pretty on topic when you have a news update about the horrific consequences of anime piracy.

I understand it when the show is licensed (i've known about that kind of pirating stuff for a while now) , but what about shows that are still unlicensed and showing in Japan? And how do fansub groups get money off stuff when groups like Chihiro and Coalguys say they do their subs for free?

Paploo wrote:

dtm42 wrote: No. No. NO. We are NOT having a fansub debate here. Anime got pirated. Anime companies suffered. Anime fans suffered. Fansubs are a part of this, and the part of fandom that celebrates them is the sort that enables this sort of behaviour. If mods would rather I not talk about it, okay, but as far as I know, talking about the negative impacts of piracy is something that's pretty on topic when you have a news update about the horrific consequences of anime piracy.

I understand your point, but it's not like it's gonna stop. If people can DL music, movies and everything else illegal everyday, why would this? There's really no point if your gonna get the same answer everytime. It's the Internet. It's not gonna stop people from doing what they want. Especially if it works. People do it everyday.

I understand your point, but it's not like it's gonna stop. If people can DL music, movies and everything else illegal everyday, why would this? There's really no point if your gonna get the same answer everytime. It's the Internet. It's not gonna stop people from doing what they want. Especially if it works. People do it everyday.

Go spam Aniplex USA's facebook and let 'em hear how you feel about this issue.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AniplexUSA

Well, many fansubbers don't make money off of it, and they have used that fact to avoid persecution many times. The "Honor Argument": "We just do it so people can see shows, we make no money off of it." They are definitely not as bad as the people making money off of it, but they are still contributing to the industry's downfall. I know a lot of people say, "I buy the official version when it comes out"...but be honest for a second, how often does that really happen? I'm sure some people do, but a lot of people just say that and continue to watch fansubs.

Webbmaster62 wrote:

Paploo wrote: dtm42 wrote: No. No. NO. We are NOT having a fansub debate here. Anime got pirated. Anime companies suffered. Anime fans suffered. Fansubs are a part of this, and the part of fandom that celebrates them is the sort that enables this sort of behaviour. If mods would rather I not talk about it, okay, but as far as I know, talking about the negative impacts of piracy is something that's pretty on topic when you have a news update about the horrific consequences of anime piracy. I understand your point, but it's not like it's gonna stop. If people can DL music, movies and everything else illegal everyday, why would this? There's really no point if your gonna get the same answer everytime. It's the Internet. It's not gonna stop people from doing what they want. Especially if it works. People do it everyday.

I disagree. I mean, illegal downloading--of anything--will never completely die, but I believe with all my heart that we can minimize the damage. A lot of fans simply don't know how big a problem fansubs are. Two years ago I watched fansubs fairly frequently because I didn't think it was a big deal. Then I watched Greg Ayers' panel about fansubs on YouTube and I was shocked to learn some of the stuff that I did. I stopped immediatley.

Furthermore, I've explained and elaborated this issue to other people that I've met online, and I talked them out of watching fansubs. I will do whatever I can to help this industry, even if it only yields a small result in the long scheme of things.