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JulieYBM
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Beautiful Fighting Girl (by psychologist and critic Saitou Tamaki) and the interviews featured in The Moe Manifesto (by Patrick W. Galbraith) claim Otaku have no interest in real people. Their interest in two-dimensional characters comes from the very fictional nature of them. There's no acceptance of what is not actually occurring. |
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zrnzle500
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Which one in your mind is? And which one is better able to pressure countries to adopt better human rights measures? I won't say that the US is perfect or even great on such matters (it is not), but I can't find any reason to find promoting human rights as objectionable, no matter the messenger. Certainly the US needs to work on its human rights issues, but that doesn't excuse other countries from doing so too. I can't think of a country that can better lobby other countries to adopt better human rights practices. |
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Mr.Shonen
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This coming from a country where there are people who think its okay to give kids guns. Where corporations can hock products like unhealthy junk food or expensive mobile phones at them since they're impressionable. Where schools elimate things like gym/after school programs so kids can be bogged down with tons of school work in preparation for state tests. But hey got to worry about the ink and paper kind.
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VanGosroth
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Such nonsense. |
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R315r4z0r
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Wait... I'm confused...
They are talking about human rights, but then make points about non-humans? And not only are they not humans, they are also not even alive. It's all paper and drawings. What rights? They ARE talking about HUMAN rights? Right?
That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. It "might" cause "some" people to do "something" so therefore that means you should stop it entirely? 1. There is no proof or correlation between fictional and physical crimes. 2. People aren't mindless zombies that will abandon their own senses and copy something they saw in a fictional world. In fact, most people will use that fictional world as an escape and therefore lower the amount of physical crimes. However if a person is so inclined... 3. If someone does mimic something they saw in fiction, then that is a psychological problem with that specific person and is in no way, shape, or form related to the original work of fiction. I absolutely cannot stand this type of "preventative" thinking. Deal with actual problems instead of wasting time making problems up. This line of thinking would have everyone just stay at home, tied to their beds, covered in blankets, with all the doors and windows locked tight. It needs to stop. My parents always used to say to drink my milk so I will grow up big and strong. Well, bullies are big and strong. Therefore, we should ban the consumption of milk. Common, people. Last edited by R315r4z0r on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:12 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zrnzle500
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Considering other parts of that section of the report referred to high school age girls (read: minors) were put in positions that frequently resulted in prostitution, I dare say they are concerned with flesh and blood children. The section on child abuse mainly focuses on abuse of actual children and fictional depictions are only two sentences or so. So they aren't primarily concerned with fictional kids and even then only as they might affect actual kids, as other years' reports make clear, whatever one might believe regarding whether or not fictional child porn harms actual children. Last edited by zrnzle500 on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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HeeroTX
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*slow clap* Way to stoke the fires
I will point out that ANN's variation on this article paraphrases the ORIGINAL article (referenced at the bottom) in a way to make it sound even WORSE than originally: (all bold emphasis below is mine) Passage from the report: No law addresses the unfettered availability of sexually explicit cartoons, comics, and video games, some of which depicted scenes of violent sexual abuse and the rape of children. --------------------------------------- Original article about the topic: The report said Japan lacked a law to address the “unfettered” availability of sexually explicit cartoons, some of which depict child rape. --------------------------------------- ANN (quoted portion): (Problem is) unfettered availability of sexually explicit cartoons, comics, and video games, some of which depicted scenes of violent sexual abuse and the rape of children. (ANN removes that the noted issue is the lack of a LAW implying that society itself doesn't do anything to limit availability without a law) ANN (notes re: passage): The State Department wrote that Japan has no law restricting access to the sexually explicit materials. (ANN commentary implies blanket statement about "porn") =========================== or, if you prefer: Original Report passage: Experts suggested a culture that appears to accept the depiction of child sexual abuse harmed children. --------------------------------------- ANN article: The reports stated that, according to experts, Japan HAS "a culture that appears to accept the depiction of child sexual abuse harmed children." If you feel people are misreading the article, then it does ANN no favors to cherry pick provocative statements. Last edited by HeeroTX on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:04 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Kikaioh
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That's beside the point I'm making. Whether real or fictional, Japan appears to be culturally accepting of child sexualization and victimization, which is disturbing. That the outlaw of child pornography 2 years ago has been interpreted as a politically-driven move to improve the country's image for the upcoming 2020 Tokyo Olympics (as opposed to a cultural movement fighting against the sexual victimization of children), suggests a culture that either doesn't care at best, or is actually accepting of the issue at worst. The 2D preference of otaku doesn't change that. |
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Panzer Vor
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And we lynch Negroes.  I've seen that song and dance several times already in this thread. It's getting tiresome.
Mentioning the litany of American cultural problems does not in any way, shape, or form absolve Japan of its own issues. |
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mrsatan
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This is why other countries hate us. The State Department for years has made a habit of going into other countries and lecturing them on changing their cultures to be more "correct" (AKA American).
Meanwhile we have the most sexualized culture of all, with children being exposed to all kinds of filth early on. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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It's a shame they had to go and lose me right from the start. The JK Business is awful and does need to be stopped because that is actual child abuse. I wasn't aware of the racial prejudice, but if it's as bad as they say then that too should be stopped.
I don't see the problem with anime porn though honestly. The fact that anime porn is legal whereas the real thing isn't should be enough to teach any mentally stable person that 'It's okay to be into these drawings, but child abuse is still a crime'. If hentai is enough to normalise that stuff and convince you to go out and do these things in real life you probably weren't mentally stable in the first place. They're the sort of people who play Grand Theft Auto and think 'Hmm, wouldn't it be fun to do this in real life?' Now it's hard to speak about the attraction people feel as someone who isn't interested in that kind of stuff but from I've seen it's so far from reality I can't even make a connection between it and the real thing. The girls don't look like real girls, they don't act like real girls, the scenarios are stupid beyond belief and not reflective of reality in the slightest and the list of problems goes on. Even if you were to try and replicate some of these scenarios you probably wouldn't get very far if you're taking your inspiration from manga. Even if you did have an attraction to real life kids you should be able to realise that much. There is some realistic loli and shota porn out there and personally I think stuff like that should not be allowed. But for the most part it's like making a connection between rock and roll music and wanting to commit acts of anarchy or, and I know this is a very cliche example, Grand Theft Auto and the desire to murder people in real life. |
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Ryuhei
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So does the US State Department note all the human right violations that the United States itself commits? (Not on the necessary degree, I´m sure).
I mean, it´s cool and all that they talk about other countries, including the democratic ones, but the US human righs violations are plentiful and very severe, and I´m just talking about this new century (massive number of assassinations of innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq, torture, illegal detention centers etc..). Given that, talking about cartoon porn is so, so meaningless... Last edited by Ryuhei on Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Whis-pur
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Okay, I think I missed something. Why is the U.S. butting into another country's "problem" ?
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kotomikun
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Sounds like the real issue is, as usual, ourselves. We're the ones focusing on this one little comment and blowing it way out of proportion... telling the government to focus on the real-life issues while we all but ignore them. We complain about real problems, sometimes, but always in the context of "why doesn't somebody else do something about this?!" Maybe if we reflexively blamed ourselves, instead of everyone else, none of these social problems would even exist. But I don't see that ever happening. |
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Kutsu
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There is no 'whether real or fictional'. Those are two very different issues and they should not be treated as one. Real child sexualization is terrible and should indeed be at least looked down upon by society if not downright banned. Fictional child sexualization however does not involve real people whatsoever and is thus about as immoral and disturbing as having a character hitting or even killing someone in a videogame. The only valuable reason we could have to ban fictional child sexualization is if various studies had shown a link between these things and an increase in, for example, sexual crimes.Otherwise, it becomes a very slippery slope with a logic that has the potential to be taken very far. |
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