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This Week in Anime - Made in Abyss Ignites Firestorm in K-Pop Fandom

As for games, I don't really see why it would be problem to remove some kind of obviously fan service'y bits like side game of fondling boobs, or one picture of 12yo-looking girl in string bikini. Fan service is often just business decision only to appeal more to buyers, if there are parts that would made foreign buyers dislike rather than like the game, obviously the business decision would be to remove it. Frankly, whenever I saw the threads in gaming community (which was rarely, no longer my scene), the "anti-censorship" side was often full of whiny crybabies, so that colors my opinion, maybe things have changed. And again, it's not like people don't enforce other things on gaming companies, like changing the mess that was ending of Mass Effect due to criticism.

I don't really see why it would be problem to remove some kind of obviously fan service'y bits like side game of fondling boobs, or one picture of 12yo-looking girl in string bikini.

- We don't need to go to Made In Abyss to see this mess unfold. All we need to do is check what some people said about "I'm In Love with the Villainess" (bonus points for spoiler[Lene's thing with her brother]);

Now that I think about it, was that the scene that was censored from the American version of the light novels? I remember the first volume of the LN got censored in America and some passages about gay discrimination being omitted from them.

Villainess is so odd because for the longest time I heard nothing but praise for the LN from certain people. Then the anime airs and now everyone has turned on it and now the people who originally praised it are saying this is where the series goes downhill because of things like spoiler[incest] and spoiler[genderbender characters] and other milquetoast topics that are a dime a dozen in shoujo series, let alone anime as a whole. Am I to conclude that people only liked that one scene in episode 3 about lesbian discrimination?

My hot take is I like Made in Abyss, but I don't like inessential bits and pieces of it, so sometimes I feel like wishing those bits weren't there.

Of course, hate speech and incentives to violence, rather than the mere portrayal thereof, are the red line. Shouting fire in a crowd, basically.

Now that I think about it, was that the scene that was censored from the American version of the light novels? I remember the first volume of the LN got censored in America and some passages about gay discrimination being omitted from them.

light turner wrote:

Now that I think about it, was that the scene that was censored from the American version of the light novels? I remember the first volume of the LN got censored in America and some passages about gay discrimination being omitted from them.

First time I've heard of it, anyone got links?

Edit; According this article here on ANN, Seven Seas released a corrected version of the novel later, can anyone confirm?;
animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-03-19/.170833

The answer is, people get to decide where the line is, and they decide it with their money, and with their words. And when a lot of people start speaking and spending the same way... shifts happen.

Avec ou Nous wrote:

People have long associated the language of 'social justice' with pruitan values, censorship, and all manner of negative things.

Um, no? I think you may want to do some research on puritan values and the history of censorship. Historically it has been figures from the religious right such as Mary Whitehouse who have called for a return to puritan values and censorship, people who certainly could not be called progressive.

Um, no? I think you may want to do some research on puritan values and the history of censorship. Historically it has been figures from the religious right such as Mary Whitehouse who have called for a return to puritan values and censorship, people who certainly could not be called progressive.

All the calls for censorship I see concerning anime and manga are coming strictly from the left. And they're usually the ones in positions of power to actually do it such as localization teams at light novel or video game companies where these cases pop up in.

Villainess is so odd because for the longest time I heard nothing but praise for the LN from certain people. Then the anime airs and now everyone has turned on it and now the people who originally praised it are saying this is where the series goes downhill because of things like spoiler[incest] and spoiler[genderbender characters] and other milquetoast topics that are a dime a dozen in shoujo series, let alone anime as a whole. Am I to conclude that people only liked that one scene in episode 3 about lesbian discrimination?

Now that I think about it, was that the scene that was censored from the American version of the light novels? I remember the first volume of the LN got censored in America and some passages about gay discrimination being omitted from them.

Anyway, yeah, censorship sucks. Full stop. All of it. No exceptions. I find that to be a very easy position to take.

Personally I agree with you, though with a bit less confidence. But you ask who gets to define what's harmful and what isn't, but then set down a red line with hate speech and inciting violence on the other side? Not everyone is going to agree with you there. For instance, see the very topic of this TWIA; a lot of people see such media not as thought-provoking but as an incipient threat of sexual abuse against their children - or themselves, if they're young enough. The answer is, people get to decide where the line is, and they decide it with their money, and with their words. And when a lot of people start speaking and spending the same way... shifts happen.

Zoltan Kakler wrote:

All the calls for censorship I see concerning anime and manga are coming strictly from the left. And they're usually the ones in positions of power to actually do it such as localization teams at light novel or video game companies where these cases pop up in.

??? This was literally just this year unless you're trying to claim Moms for Liberty aren't conservative animenewsnetwork.com/news/2023-04-12/assassination-classroom-manga-removed-from-florida-wisconsin-school-libraries/.197003

Fundies have more reach and power to ban stuff than ever before, people just don't think so because they can order anything they want online.

The answer here, and I know it's not an easy answer, is to have a very strict definition of what incitement to violence is.

Until they pressure MasterCard or PayPal into pressuring a vendor into not selling "anything"

Do you have the same open minded and pragmatic approach to when gay characters and themes are removed from games as well? If it's only about sales and appealing to a specific market and potential buyers, then it should be no different. Some countries like China, Saudi Arabia, and Russia are big markest for certain kinds of games, movies, and other media, and we wouldn't want to do anything that makes them uncomfortable. Even in America it still happens like the removal of some gay romance options in Fire Emblem Engage. I ask because a lot of people who have this laissez-faire attitude toward censorship tend to support censorship only until it affects things they care about. If you support both instances then that's fine, it's a consistent belief and you're entitled to, but I rarely see people who view things in such a way and they tend to suddenly be against censorship the second it starts happening to something they care about.