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eyeresist
Posts: 995 Location: a 320x240 resolution igloo (Sydney) |
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So... have you seen Wings of Honneamise? Another show where the trivialisation of rape is just bizarre. But this also relates to ideas of male sexual dominance which are in fact equally pervasive in the West. Plenty of idiots, male and female, think a "Real" man is always verging on rape. I read an article about upskirting recently which said that in Japan you can't turn off the clicking sound on your camera, for just this reason. Regarding the expense of anime in Japan, I am convinced, though completely without proof of course, that there must be some sort of underground sharing system amongst the otaku. Otherwise how could the stereotypical fan with a menial job in some money-sucking place like Tokyo afford more than one DVD a month? |
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enurtsol
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Because rape is not that serious in Japan. If there's a 1st-world country to do it, Japan would not be a bad choice.
Then: "the minimum prison term for rape is two years, lower than the five years for robbery. A minimum penalty of four years for gang rape is under consideration." Seiichi Ota, a Japanese cabinet minister, was heavily criticized after he issued a statement regarding the case, "At least gang rapists are still vigorous. Isn't that at least a little closer to normal?" The magazine quoted [Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo] Fukuda as saying: "There are women who look like they are saying 'Do it to me'. Those who have that kind of appearance are at fault, because men are black panthers."
That's because American law enforcers are generally seen as very capable, while Japanese law enforcers are seen pretty much as a joke with anything that requires serious work (e.g. beyond giving directions at a koban). There are so many stories on J-news such as a J-policeman cut and running away scared from someone wielding a bat, J-police letting a suspect escape from custody and disappear at the scene of a serious crime, and of course hidden-camera panty-voyeurs turning out to be J-policemen themselves.
Yes. J-gropers typically avoid foreign Western girls (unless you look meek or weak), unlike J-girls who often just grin and bear it (the "shoganai" phenomenon).
They have to do that because typically the J-husband gives all his paycheck to his wife, who does all the household budget and then gives her husband a meager allowance just enough for food at work. There are many funny stories about J-wives expecting the same thing to happen (because that's always been the way it's done), but their foreigner husbands refusing to keep the status quo.
Who is neither hard nor gay. In America, he would've been forced to apologize to gay people ASAP or lose his job (or even both).
For the phone cameras, yes. Because there are many situations when you're holding your phone like tying your shoes, and the girl doesn't actually know you're taking a photo under her short short skirt. (With a real camera, it's obvious.)
No girlfriend to suck money out of their budget. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Moonsaber
Posts: 343 Location: USA |
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Just two quick comments on this whole shebang, and I am sidestepping the Hana Yori Dango thing completely. Ok, no I am not. I have noticed that the Josei and some Shoujo artists like to use rape as a plot point, and then turn it romantic. And this is from women? I don't get it, honestly. Probably has a lot to do with how repressive Japanese culture still is to women.
Anyway, to good things: Grolsch = Yum. Oh, and on the artbooks, I picked up the Valkyria Chronicles guide and it is a big fat fantastic thing that I love love love. |
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EireformContinent
Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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Probably people have no idea what rape is and makes toons of stupid excuses like "she asked for that", "she enjoyed", OMG, he loves her" that should turn it into romantic point. What it worse, it works and readers usually get it.
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Asterisk-CGY
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Actually what I feel is being used is just the forcibly seductive attitude, which happens to invoke a sort of rapy presence. They want a guy that's more alpha, without being dangerous. And being the writer, they can push it that close. We're just used to a more toned down romance. Cause we have very thin lines between pushy and intrusive.
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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I don't know what the Grolsch in the US tastes like, but I know what it taste like here in the UK and to me it tastes like spoiler[badger piss ]
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cl-shojo
Posts: 70 Location: New York |
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Mohawk52 said:
Yeah, this is the incident the person is talking about, it's been in basically every adaptation I've seen/read to serve as the initial reason why Tsukushi likes Rui. I think a lot of the people who were bothered by this scene and continued to hate Tsukasa is because they didn't read or watch the entire series. And the later incident you mentioned did come to mind as one of Tsukasa's better moments in terms of endearing himself to Tsukushi spoiler[because he believed in her despite the photos], along with spoiler[when he saved her in Canada]. For these reasons, it's hard not to like Tsukasa (also because he's so goofy). And I totally agree with you about the ending. |
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TitanXL
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I must say it's amusing seeing people use a fictional instance of rape to lampoon an entire country and make conjecture on their cultural views. Definitely no fault in that logic at all.
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enurtsol
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How would you know how spoiler[badger piss] tastes?
Check out my examples above. It's not an isolated incident. |
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st_owly
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This. So very true. |
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INS Division 6
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Posts: 91 Location: Philadelphia Area, PA |
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I'm surprised no one mentioned the book "Tokyo Vice". When the author was in Tokyo he said in the book that if you rape a woman and it's a first offense it's only a 200 dollar fine and your out the courthouse door. That was years ago, does anyone know what the penalty for rape is today in Japan. I guessing it's still just a monitary fine for a 1st offense. Maybe thats why you see rape prevelant in certain anime, because the characters may not care about a slap on the wrist penalty. Or maybe the creaters of the anime and manga are trying to draw attention through there art form to the fact that Japanese society has loose punishments for these law breakers and they are trying to reform the system?
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TitanXL
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Problem is you can find those kinds of reports in every country. Not really a good example of judging society as a whole. All you can really do is look at crime rates as a whole. Japan has a much lower rape rate than the US does (and crime in general). So 'police presence' in the media will reflect that: the US is all about crime dramas on TV because crime is such a big problem in the US as opposed to Japan. Just linking to a report where some cops screwed up or something isn't proof of much. How many incompetent police stories do you hear all the time on US local news? A lot. |
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leafy sea dragon
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It's why I'm really curious about this. Still, even fictional media from a country can reveal that country's attitudes, social issues, politics, and frustrations--in other words, how the populace is feeling.
As for news stuff on police, I live in Los Angeles, so I most often hear stories about police getting killed by criminals rather than any real act of incompetence, which happens about once every 3 days. It takes a lot of bravery to join the police force around here. (This is, of course, referring to today and not pre-1996, when various gangs owned the LAPD.) |
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Crisha
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Just a thought. Is that really due to a lower rape rate or are women not as likely to report the crime in Japan? |
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