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_Earthwyrm_
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Not really, no one ever said Crime is unprofitable. 
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mufurc
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I wonder, would people whine so much if the companies used Youtube or even Veoh instead of Crunchyroll? Probably not - never mind that those sites also make a lot of money and also host gigabytes of illegal material.
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houkoholic
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One: Youtube is still in the red - it doesn't make money. I doubt Veoh is any different. Two: neither Youtube or Veoh pretended to be poor college kids and *actively* encourages people to upload illegal material by pretending to do the sharing community a service, make guides to create fansubs as well as teaches its users to make said fansubs to upload to the site to boost its traffic rating, and ask for "donations" all under this disguise, which CR did. The 3 sites were founded, operated and operates on very different principles, some people drew the line and finds what CR did and does distasteful, and I think they have valid reasons to think so. |
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Haterater
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Hey now, why can't we have both? Especially if both brings in more people. Plus, with the region locking, it doesn't exactly help with the international audience if they continue doing that. |
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ConanSan
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I'd rather pay for my Fist of the North star, but if Toei want to vote with thier red tape, I'm more than happy to vote with my IRC/BT Client.
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Shiroi Hane
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Well, UK and Japan are DVD R2, but that doesn't stop them blocking us from streams over there too. Regional rights are different to regional codes. |
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ConanSan
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fuuma_monou
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Animax-Asia has separate feeds for the Philippines and the rest of Southeast Asia since the Philippines licenses way more anime on domestic networks. I know there's an Animax dub of Yakitate!! Ja-Pan, but it can't be shown here due to rights issues (Hero TV/ABS-CBN must've got an exclusive deal for the whole country). The Japanese companies likely can't license worldwide rights for anything unless no deals have been made anywhere else in the world. |
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ConanSan
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All I know is that I have money, the anime industry wants/needs money and to do so exchanges shows/merch in varying amounts to get that money, Toei is not allowing me to use my money to give them money so they will give me the shows.
It's Toei that doesn't want the money. And besides that, what higher force does Toei speak to? They made the shows, they have the dice loaded ready to roll, God knows Jetix UK isn't airing Digimon Zero Two (or indeed anything worth a damn) anymore or Manga Ent. isn't selling Fist of the North Star TV. If I could up and buy these shows on DVD, then this would not be an issue (and when I say "Buy on DVD", I mean UNCUT, UNEDITED AND SUBTITLED AND NEW) but it's not, I am LOCKED OUT from buying these shows for the crime of not being American. Well, I've said it once and I will say it again, I will vote with my IRC and BT Clients untill such a time as Toei gets a freaking clue and I can buy these items legally. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Thats why I think Hulu would be so much better. Major networks use it so it already gets alot of traffic. Plus they show short 10-15 second commercials during the show so its got a setup thats similar to what everyone is already used to. I don't know why these companies are getting in bed with sites like Crunchyroll. Thats like a bank manager sleeping with the person who just robbed the bank for millions. I really hope more anime goes to Hulu. The picture quality is better than xvid fansubs and my DVD player (xbox 360) does garbage upscaling on animated stuff so the Naruto episodes on there look better than my boxset when I watch it on a HDTV. I really think it'd stop alot of people who don't pirate just to make a statement that they won't support the content creators, plus they can make some money. And more importantly, it allows the japanese companies to go directly to the american consumer. I think the licensing method is outdated and not needed. Anime is big enough over here to where you don't need an american middle man to "work" the market for you anymore. |
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ConanSan
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Well, you do need to knows English otherwise it's going to get ugly PDQ.
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Top Gun
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And those of us who'd rather listen to our anime than read it kind of rely on those "middlemen" to allow us to do so.
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braves
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This. I've wanted a full DVD release for Digimon for so long. I don't care if it's dub-only. 
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Mr. sickVisionz
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When i'm saying eliminate the middlemen I mean for the japanese to take control of their product. I don't mean sub only. Its not like Funimation and ADV are the only people who can get a dubbing studio. In the business world there are varying degrees that you work a foreign market. At first, its basically a foreigner comes, buys some of your product and sales it in their homeland. After a while you start to sell more and rather than just having someone random person buy products in your home, you actually start to produce extra units for that buyer, but you still don't actually make a stake in the foreign land. As you foreign sales increase more and more you see that maybe more people than that one buyer may be interested in your product. You produce more but at the same time you don't know that market and how to advertise and promote their. Your product is still small overall and you will need help. So you have a middleman that understands the market work it for you. Thats where anime has been for a while imo. But eventually, the product becomes so well known over seas that you don't need the middleman. You know the market. You know what people like. People know about your product and they know about it from you, not from the middleman. At this point you can fully go into the market and you don't need the middleman anymore. You can setup up your own offices in that foreign land and rather than using a middleman you have your own company working it there. Thats where I think anime has been for years, but only now are people starting to make inroads. When I say eliminate the middleman, I'm talking about that 4th step of where you fully embrace the market. Best Buy and Wal-Mart probably don't care who sells them Naruto and Pokemon box sets. If its the same price they could care less whether its some american licensor or straight from japan. We as anime watchers come on sites like this one. We don't need to check ADV to see what new anime is coming out. We're going straight to the source itself. The failure to embrace that 4th step is where I think the industry has been stuck in a rut. I mean, it would cost chump change to get some college kids to translate an episode of a show a week. You have small groups of fansubbers doing it every week. Theres no reason a massive anime company making millions can't do that. ADV and companies like that... I think their future is as dubbing studios to be hired by anime companies. I don't think they're needed. But i'm an american and we're risk takers by default. Thats how american companies branch out overseas but if you're not in that same mindset, I guess you'd see it as a risk. But the market is dying over here because of archaic business concepts that aren't appropriate for both the current state of technology and the readiness of the market. Would it really be that hard for a japanese company to hire some english web designers to setup a site where they can sell DVDs directly to americans? Its not like international shipping is some unheard of concept. This is the current model: 1) You announce that a show is coming out to the japanese press 2) Within 24 hours sites like this announce to every english speaking anime fan on the planet and our interest is piqued. (you don't need ADV to work the market for you... the market is working itself) 3) You release previews in japan only 4) Within two days fansubbers translate and post these previews in English on a global level. (once again, the market has interest and knowledge of your product. You don't a middle man to help you in this area) 5) The show is broadcast in Japan (often in HD) 6) Within 3 days fansubbers translate the show to english and distribute it on a global level. You see ZERO money from this. (Is there no way for a japanese company to pay someone to translate? How much would it cost to hire some us foreign exchange students to translate for you? They'd probably work for boxsets and autographs from the voice actors) 7) Months after broadcast you announce that the show has been licensed for America (To a market thats already seen every episode often in quality thats higher than DVD). 8) Japanese DVDs come out 9) These are translated to english within days by fansubbers within days and distributed on a global level. Again you see no money from this. 10) Months after the series has ended in japan and all DVDs are released, the first DVD finally comes out in the US... to a market thats already seen it. That is a failed business model, but it doesn't have to be. Your reliance on the middle man is now killing you. But it doesn't have to. What if the company themselves actually translated the show and put it on sites like Hulu (where they get revenue) day and date with the Japanese release? What if the company themselves setup an English site where you could easily buy DVDs for our region? Like I'm saying, Best Buy and Wal-Mart... they don't care where Naruto comes from. Cartoon Network won't cancel Naruto because episodes come in English from a japanese company rather than an American company. They aren't that racist. Thats all i'm saying. |
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ConanSan
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Not that it matters if you can't buy it...
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