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crosswithyou
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Whoops! And now that I look at the article, I remember reading this in the past. I'm sure I commented on the post too, haha. Forgetful me. I suppose the pacing may not be for everyone since most of the episodes are standalone stories, but once Natori and the exorcists are introduced, a larger plot becomes apparent and this is carried into the third and fourth seasons. I hope you'll consider giving the series another try, perhaps starting with the third season where Matoba is introduced. The episodes become less.... episodic... as the series continues. |
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Sea Lion
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Elude, dear. The word you're searching for is elude -- unless you meant to say the game reminds you of something else. As I'm still slogging through Bleach, I really don't have the energy to devote to another gigantic neverending story like One Piece. I may check out Chihayafuru, though. |
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ShinnFlowen
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I understand how you may be critical of kobato, but I do not agree with everyone when they say Chihayafuru is an amazing sport/romance series. The relationships maybe interesting, but the actual game play is boring, the poem songs are atrocious to hear, and it is mostly a memorization game.
The reviewer ERIN was also bashing YU-GI-OH when the game itself is far more entertaining and requires much more skill in building your deck as well as setting up combos. You can OTK *one turn kill an opponent in YUGIOH, making every move you make important. The YU-GI-OH shows themselves WOULD benefit from having a great characters like in Chihayafuru so I ask myself couldn't a show like Chihayafuru been MUCH better to watch if it had a better card game to watch? Yugioh has local tournaments, regionals, and championships in North America/Europe/Japan. The reviewer could easily understand the basics of the card game with some quick searches on google, which makes stating not knowing how the game basically works is not realistic. |
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Saffire
Posts: 1256 Location: Iowa, USA |
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If you don't like karuta, that's fine, but at least ground your complaints in reality. |
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erinfinnegan
ANN Columnist
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I wasn't bashing YuGiOh, I actually like YuGiOh. I even saw the first movie in a theater, and enjoyed it! That said I have never played the card game. I don't care for games where you're rewarded for spending the most money in order to win (like Heroclix, although I did enjoy a few games of it in my day).
Man, that's a tough position if you're arguing that YuGiOh is better than karuta because it's played more widely. It's been around for what, 13 years? Karuta has been around for at least 100 years. It's strictly a Japanese game, but it's also a cultural institution. YuGiOh is pop culture ephemera that'll eventually die out, because the game itself is strictly controlled by license holders. I think karuta is beyond that kind of licensing...
I have learned the basics by reading wikipedia and googling for it, it's the finer details that I don't get, specifically about passing cards around at the end. I also don't really get why someone who has memorized all 100 poems couldn't just take a card right as the reader reads the first part. It's the sort of thing where if I actually played the game, I'm sure I could understand the rules better (same goes for YuGiOh). |
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Julia-the-Great
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I've been watching every episode as it comes out, and I think I have somewhat of an answer for your questions (the exact same questions I was having when I was around episode 12 or so). The moving the cards around thing, at least from what I can gather, is that when you take a card on your opponent's side, you move one of the cards from your side over to theirs. The point of the game is to be the first person to have no remaining cards on your side. Under what circumstances you're allowed to move cards around on your own side, I'm still not entirely clear. As for why someone who has memorized all 100 poems can't just take a card right as the reader reads the card, they repeatedly make a point of telling us that there are several poems that start with the same syllables or words, so in order to be sure which poem it is, you have to wait until a certain point, as in there would be several "The" cards and you have to wait until "The Cloud" or "The River" etc is read to be sure, and sometimes there might be several "The Cloud" cards and you have to wait until "The Cloud is". If you react too fast and hit the wrong "The Cloud" card, you take a fault, which I think involves your opponent moving one of their cards to your side. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on that) It gets even more complicated when you find out there are "Dead" cards that the reader sometimes reads to fool the players, cards that don't have a match in the game. By Episode 19, I THINK I know enough of the rules that I could play a REALLY slow game of Karuta... if Karuta was in English and I took the time to memorize all the cards... REALLY slow game... |
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crosswithyou
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As Julia mentioned, there are cards that start off similarly so you can't take the card until you're sure which one is being read. Sometimes they read cards that are not in play as well. FYI, what is read and what is written on the card is different. They read the first part of the poem and the second part of the poem is written on the card, so you definitely need to have mastered the memorization of the poems. |
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ShinnFlowen
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I think I wouldn't take things the wrong way if Erin just add an extra word or two to help explain her thoughts in her reviews because I clearly mistook her idea of what she meant by not understanding Karuta.
Making a negative comparison that wasn't necessary as the review was good enough, it indirectly shows that you may dislike something such as YUGIOH. Anyway I found the review and your reply great! |
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erinfinnegan
ANN Columnist
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Yes, that much is obvious from episode one or two...
See THAT's the kind of thing I'm talking about. And what's up with "Double Faults"?
OK, it kind of makes sense, but... are these poems all extremely similar? Here's the Chihaya poem they talk about a lot:
Let's say the first two lines are read by the reader, "Even when the gods, Held sway in the ancient days," - do you mean to tell me two or more poems start off with those two lines? I understand that lots of the matching cards might start with "I," but why can't you grab a card right away after "Even when the gods," is read, like, before the reader gets to "Held sway in ancient days,"...? |
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Saffire
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As for the readings, for example, there's three cards in karuta that start with "chi" but only one that's "chiha", which makes it a "second syllable" card. You can take a card as soon as you want though; most cards are taken before the first line has been read. Chihaya regularly takes the Chihayafuru card on the second syllable. The proctor does have to read the whole card, which might be what's confusing you? |
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