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tyciol
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This is a rather old thread. It is relevant however, because this article on the mainsite links to it: animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-03-04/canadian-arrested-for-importing-loli-porn-manga
This news article on the main site is relevant because in the 'lolicon' article on Wikipedia, it is listed as a reference. It seems the ANN is considered notable as a news site, which is pretty cool. The last post here was Mar 18, 2005. Since then, ANN has posted 2 followup articles to this article, on December 20 and 21: animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-21/edmonton-journal-retracts-article Unlike the original news report, these did not have forum URLs linked at the bottom of the article. I do not know how to find out if threads were made in response to them. If so, it would be valuable for the news article editors to add links to them. Adding them here as well would also be valuable, seeing as how any discussion could be continued in any more recent threads rather than this one. If not, then perhaps a link to this forum thread could be added so that people could find it more easily? As it is all the same topic, if there were no new threads made, it may just be better to continue this one right? Anyway, I know it has been 3 years, but I figured since it was referenced off of the news article that it would be appropriate to respond here with opinions regarding the news article. I apologize for not being able to respond at the time it was posted, as I did not know, and it took a while to figure out what to say. I am basically kind of shocked, because a guy is getting punished for owning art drawn by a man in Japan, presumably. They say 'no jail' like it is a consolation, but he is on a sex offender registry, he got fined, and he is obligated to do service. Not out of the good of his heart, not for a reward, not for high school, and without praise, because he is being punished. I just do not understand why this is, because they are drawings, and possibly writings. Why is he being punished for something that in no way hurt anyone? For something which is essentially, the sharing of thoughts, of ideas and mental pictures, through a pen and publication, between this artist in Japan, and this man in Edmonton? Why him? He can't be the only one. It is very hard to imagine he is. Even if he were, I don't think he would be the only one who might want to look, or even if no one wanted to look, to think is permissable to look, as in, it should not be illegal, to look at a drawing. At something called from the imagination, not even a photograph of anything real or anything. I guess I just don't understand. No one is really objecting. I want to console this guy or something, but they don't list his name, and for good reason I guess, because he's probably get harassed or something. It seems very unfair. I'm not sure when this law they punished him with got invented, but shouldn't seeing someone punished with it be a wakeup call? Isn't this the whole 'thoughtcrime' thing I read about in 1984? In the United States, from what I have read in Wikipedia, George Bush passed a law similar to what this man was punished using, and the Supreme Court overrode it. So why didn't we override it? Sometimes I really wonder about free expression in Canada, and if we have it. I know we are not the United States, but it seems like free media, thought, art, etc is sort of an important thing, and I really don't think anyone should be called upon to prove that something isn't art lest it be dubbed obscene. We're talking about drawings here, stories, how are those not art? I think in some cases, perhaps a sizable amount (majority, vocal majority) are okay with censoring in favour of what they think will positively influence morality? Is this why 'hate speech' is also illegal in Canada? Are there other examples of this, where we think we are free, but actually is all a feel-good facade, with people suffering in the shadows with the approval of our government and law enforcement? I guess I am sort of surprised this thing happened. It seems this thread got a lot of replies when the man was arrested, but that it did not continue when he was sentenced. Whatever sentence he had should probably be up by now. It has been over 18 months, he has probably done his 100 hours... but wouldn't he still be on the sex registry list? Shouldn't he be taken off? Shouldn't he get some appreciation for his hours of service, when he really did nothing at all to deserve them? I wonder how many people really know about this. We live in the shadow of the US where this is legal, and people share it, so on the internet, a lot of people in Canada are going to think this stuff is legal, and get in trouble over it. I think it's sort of important people get informed about that, so they don't put themselves at risk and get punished, like this man in Edmonton. Plus, IMO, maybe rework these laws to apply to protecting real kids, and not what some people with different minds like to picture in their heads about in 2 dimensions and draw. |
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abunai
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This is an interesting subject, but this is also an old thread. To revive it, you need to substantially contribute a new approach -- and much of what you have said has already been rehashed in the main thread.
Furthermore, we have just had another thread dealing with this topic, in the Manga forum -- a thread we finally had to lock, because it degenerated into flaming. So it's not like the topic isn't being regularly debated. I invite you to read that thread for some recent thoughts on the subject. This thread is now locked. - abunai |
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