Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2009-12-18]
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SXAniMedia
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I largely agree. Some purist fans are still living in the past it seems. These are the same fans that'll still be railing and complaining about Sgt Frog 30 years from now. It amazes me how other companies and directors do the same thing and there isn't the level of venom - probably because those other shows are less otaku-favorites. There's a double standard. To compare Foster's early works to today is incomparable anyway. Foster's recent productions have pretty tight scripts, but still have a great balance of flow and naturalism. Faithfulness for the sake of just being faithful and having poor flow is no good, and sometimes quite boring. I can not imagine enjoying Steel Angel Kurumi, Ghost Stories, Colorful or Cromartie High as much as I did without Foster's touch. There's a reason he's considered as one of the top Directors in the industry, landing high profile job after high profile job even with ADV and Seraphim Studio's outside clients. |
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Showsni
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They're making a Borrower's movie? Well, it should be quite easy to surpass that terrible movie a while back, but hard to be as good as the BBC adaptation.
(Hey, I could say exactly the same thing about Five Children and It and the Chonicles of Narnia!) Reading all these people's opinions on voice actors just makes me realise how little opinion I have on the subject. I'm barely able to recognise live action actors in different roles, let alone when I've just got the voices to work with! And that's just in English. The chance of me realising two different characters have the same Japanese voice actor is pretty much nil. Maybe I get too into the roles? |
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Thallium
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Not really sure if it's been answered yet but:
The first one is Satsuki Yukino, second Norio Wakamoto and third/bottom one is Keiji Fujiwara. I agree that Norio Wakamoto and Keiji Fujiwara have very distinctive voices. Usually i realise it's them within the first few lines of their characters. I am not 100% sure that Satsuki Yukino is another good example though. She has a very recognizable sound as well, but for me to be able to hear that, she needs to sound emotional, mostly angry, unlike the other 2 mentioned who can just say any line and be recognised. |
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Kalessin
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LOL. The first one is a woman? Looking closely, I guess I can see that, but between the relatively low quality of the image and the fact that it's cropped off at the neck, it's hard to tell. The short hair and the somewhat effeminate appearance of some Japanese men doesn't help either. But regardless, I feel kind of dumb for calling her a guy. In any case, the only one of the three whose name I recognize is Norio Wakamoto, though I'd definitely have to agree that he's quite obvious. I haven't heard enough of the other two to say though since I only watch subs if there's no dub. I'm much more familiar with English VAs. |
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hitokiriizo
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to answer next weeks question its seinen.to many great shows like monster,berserk and samurai x get passed over because they're seen as to "mature" and we end up with crap like naruto and yugioh spinoff #10 when those shows would probably be decent hits if western adults can drop the "cartoons are for kids" garbage and actually watch a show before passing it off....but i guess thats never going to happen
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Charred Knight
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You do know that Rurouni Kenshin (or what you call Samurai X) is a shonen series right? It's not seinen It was serialized in Shonen Jump same as Naruto and Yu-gi-oh. |
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The Xenos
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How did no one mention the voice of Asuka from Evangelion? Though to be fair she's kinda supposed to make you want to kill her, so i guess the actresses who played her did a good job. I once heard Tiffany Grant leaving voice mail message in character on a fan's phone in a con dealer's room. There certainly was at least a slight urge to strangle her then and there.
Wait.. that Little Nemo movie has Ray Bradbury and Moebius in its credits?! I don't care how bad it ended up as, I have to see it finally. |
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21stcenturydigitalboy
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Asuka's not supposed to make you want to kill her, her english voice actress is just godawful. The character is 100% different in Japanese and infinitely more likable. |
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ikillchicken
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Nobody would deny that the Rurouni Kenshin TV series is a shonen series. However, I think it's pretty clear upon watching Samurai X (the North American name for the Kenshin OVA) that it is intended for more of a seinen audience. |
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21stcenturydigitalboy
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I think it's somewhat difficult to talk about 'intent' when getting into demographics. Most people would probably think that Death Note was aimed at adults, and yet it too was published in Shounen Jump. It's also not as easy to put anime into demographics as it is manga. Whereas a manga could be said 'it's published in x magazine so it's shounen/seinen' for anime, and especially an OVA specific to a series, it's much safer to say 'it's aimed at fans of the series.' That said, I think it's accurate to say that Tsuiokuhen (or Samurai X) would be for an older audience, becasue by the time it came out, most of the kids who had seen/read kenshin when it was airing/being published would have been in their late teens/early twenties. |
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animeboy12
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hmm...well obviously the ovas are meant for an older but as far as the franchise in general, it's definitely a for the shonen demographic.
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ikillchicken
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Okay, I don't know if you're speaking as someone who has seen the series or just based on the description. I will say though as someone in the prior category, I would in no way think that Death Note is aimed at adults. I can see where one might be fooled though without having seen it in detail. After all, I think it kind of pretends to be adult which is part of what makes it so popular with the teens.
What exactly does that mean though? What the franchise is 'generally' is really nothing more than an observation of what elements appear most frequently overall. It has no real bearing on a discussion of one specific entry in that franchise. |
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animeboy12
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 no need to philosophical about it. IMO when I look at the Rurouni Kenshin franchise (i.e manga, tv series, ova) it always seem like it skewed towards the younger Japanese audience with the OVA as something made for fans the grew up with the manga.
oh and death note is definitely shonen as well (yesh, is shonen an insult now?) 
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CCSYueh
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My daughter loved it when it came out. I assume it was made for children, so being liked by children is the defining point. I vaguely remember the movie as being enjoyable, but I often find movies critics label as "confusing" aren't so I've developed the "popcorn" theory. The critic obviously spent too much time in the lobby buying popcorn or in the restroonm etc. to have fully watched the movie & thus were confused at plot twists. American parents are flaky idiots when it comes to animation for their kids. I can't remember how many parents I asked about Nightmare Before Christmas when it came out who said it looked horrible & they didn't take their munchkin to it. My sister's best friend in junior high wasn't allowed to see a PG movie the parents hadn't seen other than John Wayne so when the class went to something (1776? I forget) she couldn't go.
But I've seen yaoi doujinshi of FMA so one can't separate it from the moe you complain about.
move the conversation over to "reality tv" & you have my opinion of the state of American tv. I have never watched any of it (reality shows) since my husband who liked Survivor & Big Brother died back in 2001 & I feel as though it's killing American tv shows with actual scriptwriting, plotting & acting.
No. I can watch Cartoon Network's "humor" lineup aimed at, I'm told, the college-aged male audience which I find completely un-funny for the most part. The one or 2 funny jokes aren't worth the amount of crap about mutilation, death, body humor, etc. (Bambi meets Godzilla was funny. The 1000 subsequent versions I've seen less so). The state of our animation isn't all that incredible, particularly considering where we've been (Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, etc.) It seems to me we've slid downward somewhat. Yeah, Shrek manages to recapture some of the "ok for kids, but a decent nod to the adults in the audience" we saw in Looney Tunes, but overall, isn't it the realm of mindnumbingly sanitized? Heaven forbid we give the munchkins nightmares, (God, I can't remember how many nights I wandered into my parents' bed because of a nightmare mom threatened to cut off certain shows, but luckily she allowed me to continue watching because she ultimately believed in my intelligence to comprehend material)
Again, are we doing better? We have PBS & a few cable channels to produce high quality shows, but is the general load of tv in the US all that stupendous. I loved Pushing Daisies & we see where that show ended up. How many times have we seen a low-rated emmy-winning critically acclaimed title kept running for a few yrs for the acclaim, but ultimately getting cancelled because it isn't pulling in the ratings? Is anime not also a commercial enterprise & thus ratings/sales is the bottom line? Remember FMA is
A great show is decided on by the viewer. What I love another hates & most everything has at least a couple fans. Favorites in my collection-12 Kingdoms. CardCaptor Sakura. Saiyuki. Descendants of Darkness. Spirited Away. Howl's. Ayakashi Samurai Horror Stories Goblin Cat segment. Requiem From the Darkness. Hellsing. Hellsing Ultimate. Demon Prince Enma. Saiunkoku. Kyo Kara Maoh. Excel Saga. Super Robot Wars & Haruka simply because I never expected to see them licensed & thus they are precious to me. None of those for the animation. All of them for the story. Stories we don't really find in American cartoons.
I was unimpressed with Read or Die. It's called acting. An actor can't portray a 90 yr old unless s/he's 90? Can't portray a homosexual unless the actor is homosexual? My daughter can do an incredible baby cry & she's well past that age.
It's not just as easy to have a male do the voice of an effeminate male. One excuse I've heard is there are way more female VA's out there. If the acting slides into romantic scenes surely it's easier for a male/female team to pull it off than 2 guys, although yaoi often employs male actors for such roles because that's what the audience usually wants. Yeah, there's the unfortunate times when the actress doesn't even try to sound masculine that reek, but the ones that work are good. It's really a matter of voice tone. If the character can pass for a chick in looks, particularly if gender confusion is part of the role, casting a guy doesn't always work. spoiler[In Fushigi Yugi Nuriko is a crossdresser & the revelation he's a guy is a surprise]. This wouldn't work as well with a male VA. |
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Kalessin
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That probably depends on who you talk to. Seinen shows are more likely to be complex and maybe even deep. Their themes are more likely to be mature. Characters are more likely to be grey in nature rather than black and white. Particularly for an older audience, they're more likely to be thought of as good (though they are aimed at an older audience). Of course, there are those seinen shows which decide to go for fanservice and sex rather than complex and deep, but there are plenty of folks who would love that over the more tame shounen stuff. As for shounen, since it's aimed at a younger audience, it tends to be more simplistic. It's themes aren't as advanced or mature. It's much more likely to be "kiddy" in nature. And for whatever reason, it's more likely to be popular or mainstream, in spite of the fact that it's not as complex or deep as seinen often is (well, the non-fanservice-y seinen). So, it's often viewed as being lesser. Personally, I do like plenty of shounen shows, but I think that the really great shows are more likely to be seinen. The shounen stuff just tends to aim too low in the age range to have the really quality stuff. Shounen can be good, but the best seinen is almost guaranteed to be better than the best shounen. And bad seinen is usually bad because it focuses too much on the fanservice and sex as opposed to being too kiddy, so I could easily see someone in an older demographic preferring a bad seinen show to a bad shounen show regardless of what they thought of the good ones of either genre. In any case, I can easily see someone thinking that it's an insult for a show to be labeled as shounen instead of seinen. It's a bit like saying that it's for kids, I guess. And nobody really likes being told that what they watch is for kids (unless they're actually a kid, but even then, kids have a definite tendency to try and claim that they're adult and mature). Last edited by Kalessin on Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:29 am; edited 1 time in total |
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? Look the guy has directed some truly amazing dubs, from (ADV's ) 
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