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INTEREST: Manga Artist Sumito Ōwara Responds to Following CG Erotic Art of Child Characters on Pixiv

I think it's because Pixiv is exactly in that bubble, large part of its userbase are the kind of people who won't judge other people's following/likes and tell them through public place (or even PM). They know there are things like that, but it's easy to avoid them with all those filters and tag muting, underage are usually protected beyond the filters (unless they lie about their age+turning off the filter).

Most people also wouldn't check who you follows since unlike Twitter, other people won't see them (as notification or reccs) unless they specifically go to the artist' following page or bookmark (if it's public bookmark/follows). Owara follows 400-ish artists, while certainly not much (some people follow thousands), still take alot of time to check. That kind of dedication to find someone else' dirt is very creepy stalker-ish.

Meongantuk wrote:

I think it's because Pixiv is exactly in that bubble, large part of its userbase are the kind of people who won't judge other people's following/likes and tell them through public place (or even PM). They know there are things like that, but it's easy to avoid them with all those filters and tag muting, underage are usually protected beyond the filters (unless they lie about their age+turning off the filter). Most people also wouldn't check who you follows since unlike Twitter, other people won't see them (as notification or reccs) unless they specifically go to the artist' following page or bookmark (if it's public bookmark/follows). Owara follows 400-ish artists, while certainly not much (some people follow thousands), still take alot of time to check. That kind of dedication to find someone else' dirt is very creepy stalker-ish.

It's actually fairly common for people to make call out posts about people for following, being friends with, or doing business with certain individuals or groups. I agree it's silly and very stalkerish/obsessive to comb through peoples profiles and social media history to find something to complain about, but it's a very common thing people do. I'm not really surprised someone did this. Otherwise, I agree the subculture is generally open minded. If you've ever been to a doujinshi event people are very open about a lot of things. You might think an artist would be embarrassed or ashamed at drawing something like an explicit doujinshi, especially of a children's show like Precure or One Piece, but they tend to be pretty open and proud of it, as are the fans there.

As far as the western VS Japan thing. There's obviously people in Japan who don't like loli, but I think the main difference is Japan is very much a live-and-let-live kind of culture and aren't as kneejerk when it comes to getting upset over other peoples interests and trying to destroy them over it. I mean, just the sheer fact you can have magazines and outlets that publish loli, shota, and other similar kinds of content out in the market says a lot. I highly doubt any kind of American comic publication would publish anything of the sort here, especially when art sites and payment services actively ban and shut down artists who draw that stuff already which makes it hard for western artists to make a living on it. I would also say if Owara was an America creative I would have to imagine he would have been dropped from his publisher upon this information coming to light, let alone his dismissive response to it. If a DC or Marvel artist got caught looking at this stuff he probably wouldn't still be getting work from them, especially if they didn't even attempt to apologize and say it was an accident and instead doubled down.

With respect to the bolded part, you really can't be more wrong. There is much more leeway in the West for niche, individualistic pursuits than there is in Japan where social harmony is prized above all.

There is a subset of anime/manga fans who are absolutely desperate to believe that a huge chunk of the general Japanese population is cool with illustrated kiddy porn. It simply isn't true. Sorry. Yes, there are publications that used to be allowed that would never have seen the light of day in the West, but even those have been clamped down. Like I say, sorry peeps, but Japan is not a paradise of pedo acceptance, illustrated or otherwise.

AmpersandsUnited wrote:

Meongantuk wrote: I think it's because Pixiv is exactly in that bubble, large part of its userbase are the kind of people who won't judge other people's following/likes and tell them through public place (or even PM). They know there are things like that, but it's easy to avoid them with all those filters and tag muting, underage are usually protected beyond the filters (unless they lie about their age+turning off the filter). Most people also wouldn't check who you follows since unlike Twitter, other people won't see them (as notification or reccs) unless they specifically go to the artist' following page or bookmark (if it's public bookmark/follows). Owara follows 400-ish artists, while certainly not much (some people follow thousands), still take alot of time to check. That kind of dedication to find someone else' dirt is very creepy stalker-ish. It's actually fairly common for people to make call out posts about people for following, being friends with, or doing business with certain individuals or groups. I agree it's silly and very stalkerish/obsessive to comb through peoples profiles and social media history to find something to complain about, but it's a very common thing people do. I'm not really surprised someone did this. Otherwise, I agree the subculture is generally open minded. If you've ever been to a doujinshi event people are very open about a lot of things. You might think an artist would be embarrassed or ashamed at drawing something like an explicit doujinshi, especially of a children's show like Precure or One Piece, but they tend to be pretty open and proud of it, as are the fans there. As far as the western VS Japan thing. There's obviously people in Japan who don't like loli, but I think the main difference is Japan is very much a live-and-let-live kind of culture and aren't as kneejerk when it comes to getting upset over other peoples interests and trying to destroy them over it. I mean, just the sheer fact you can have magazines and outlets that publish loli, shota, and other similar kinds of content out in the market says a lot. I highly doubt any kind of American comic publication would publish anything of the sort here, especially when art sites and payment services actively ban and shut down artists who draw that stuff already which makes it hard for western artists to make a living on it. I would also say if Owara was an America creative I would have to imagine he would have been dropped from his publisher upon this information coming to light, let alone his dismissive response to it. If a DC or Marvel artist got caught looking at this stuff he probably wouldn't still be getting work from them, especially if they didn't even attempt to apologize and say it was an accident and instead doubled down.

With respect to the bolded part, you really can't be more wrong. There is much more leeway in the West for niche, individualistic pursuits than there is in Japan where social harmony is prized above all. One minor example: tattoos. In Japan, basically only yakuza and other extreme fringe dwellers have them. Having a visible tattoo is a real impediment to gaining legitimate employment and will incur social opprobrium from others. Things may be relaxing a little bit in that regard, but it's still a a big deal. Japanese society holds very clear views on what it expects from its constituent members and the notion that there is some kind of "easy come, easy go" attitude about the norms that are expected to be upheld is pretty funny.

There is a subset of anime/manga fans who are absolutely desperate to believe that a huge chunk of the general Japanese population is cool with illustrated kiddy porn. It simply isn't true. Sorry. Yes, there are publications that used to be allowed that would never have seen the light of day in the West, but even those have been clamped down. Like I say, sorry peeps, but Japan is not a paradise of pedo acceptance, illustrated or otherwise.

Or you trying to say "most people not like it, they are just allow it" -> this is ok, most people in west are also dont like too brutal games like mortal kombat, or terrorist games like hatred, they just allowing it -> completly similar thing.

While in Japan there's a tendency to live and let live despite what people might actually think of the stuff, in the West I unfortunately often get the impression people are actively trying to shut that stuff down, whether pressuring platforms to take down content, or pressuring payment processors to drop those customers...

AmpersandsUnited wrote:

As far as the western VS Japan thing. There's obviously people in Japan who don't like loli, but I think the main difference is Japan is very much a live-and-let-live kind of culture and aren't as kneejerk when it comes to getting upset over other peoples interests and trying to destroy them over it. I mean, just the sheer fact you can have magazines and outlets that publish loli, shota, and other similar kinds of content out in the market says a lot. I highly doubt any kind of American comic publication would publish anything of the sort here, especially when art sites and payment services actively ban and shut down artists who draw that stuff already which makes it hard for western artists to make a living on it. I would also say if Owara was an America creative I would have to imagine he would have been dropped from his publisher upon this information coming to light, let alone his dismissive response to it. If a DC or Marvel artist got caught looking at this stuff he probably wouldn't still be getting work from them, especially if they didn't even attempt to apologize and say it was an accident and instead doubled down.

With respect to the bolded part, you really can't be more wrong.

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There is a subset of anime/manga fans who are absolutely desperate to believe that a huge chunk of the general Japanese population is cool with illustrated kiddy porn. It simply isn't true. Sorry.

Tatakau88 wrote:

Or you trying to say "most people not like it, they are just allow it" -> this is ok, most people in west are also dont like too brutal games like mortal kombat, or terrorist games like hatred, they just allowing it -> completly similar thing.

This pretty much, in a nutshell.

While in Japan there's a tendency to live and let live despite what people might actually think of the stuff, in the West I unfortunately often get the impression people are actively trying to shut that stuff down, whether pressuring platforms to take down content, or pressuring payment processors to drop those customers...

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No, there is no "live and let live" attitude towards this stuff in Japan. It's true that at one time the distribution of this material was basically ignored, but that has changed in the last number of years. I guess for some folks perception has not yet caught up with reality.

No, there is no "live and let live" attitude towards this stuff in Japan. It's true that at one time the distribution of this material was basically ignored, but that has changed in the last number of years. I guess for some folks perception has not yet caught up with reality.

Blood- wrote:

No, there is no "live and let live" attitude towards this stuff in Japan. It's true that at one time the distribution of this material was basically ignored, but that has changed in the last number of years. I guess for some folks perception has not yet caught up with reality.

Sorry, but nothing I've seen supports your assertion. If you want to change my mind, give examples to proof otherwise.