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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Whenever this topic comes up (again) I think of the book burning episode of Dr Quinn.
This clip actually starts at the line I specifically remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyz2wjaDcjM |
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la_contessa
Posts: 200 Location: Pennsylvania |
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I think this is fair. Parents/guardians should absolutely be monitoring what their children are reading/watching/playing, and the buck should stop with them, but I see no problem with library helping them do so by offering an option like this. Of course, I also have no problem with the library straight-up enforcing the ratings the publishers themselves stick on the books (which can be done even at a self-checkout by coding the cards and books), if they have the resources. In that vein, I thought the library's response was a bit too flippant. I have zero problem with the library carrying the manga series or putting the onus on the parents/guardians, but come on, they gave porn to a 10-year-old kid--they should sound at least a little chagrined. What genius put this title in Adult Non-Fiction, by the way? It's not really non-fiction, right? I mean, maybe it is, but I kind of doubt it. The placement of the book was not related to this particular issue, but it made me go all like o.O |
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Dessa
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Answering stuff from all the pages, since I a) live with a librarian, and b) have a library card not only for KCLS, but Sno-Isle (Snohomish and Island counties, which are immediately north and west of King County), and Seattle (county seat of King County) as well, so I know their systems quite well.
In the Dewey Decimal system (which is roughly all non-fiction, since they didn't really carry fiction), graphic novels are placed under 741.5 (along with other comics and such). Remember that when the system was created, the idea of "graphic novels" as we have today didn't exist. As such, if a library doesn't have the graphic novels split out, it remains under the 741.5 section, which is part of non-fiction, even though much of it isn't non-fiction (poetry, plays, etc, are also out there).
The following is from Sno-Isle Libraries (as mentioned before, immediately north and west of KCLS), but KCSL also follows everything from the American Library Association: LINK The more notable portions are as follows:
(The full text of all of these, and more, can be read via the link above) TL;DR, KCLS, Sno-Isle, and SPL all follow the WLA and ALA's policies. Which says "all people have access to all materials". Including children. If their parents don't want them to read it, the parents need to pay attention and not let them read it. The libraries neither should, nor are allowed to disallow any person to any library material. Heck, if the librarians had their say, they'd save people from the torture of having to even see Twilight on the shelves. But they can't.
The library systems of the greater Seattle area have quite large manga collections (as well as anime DVDs). Which are managed by the collection development departments. They keep track of what is requested, what is popular, and what is in demand. The librarians, in turn, are not expected to read every book in the collection, but are, however, expected to be able to use the tools available to them (both in the catalogs and outside of them) to recommend and guide people to the books for them. Most of these libraries have Teen Librarians, who specifically focus on the teen collections, including the majority of the graphic novels and manga (higher rated manga are often found in the Adult sections). These librarians, again, do not read every book, but are still quite knowledgeable of the contents of their sections. Adult librarians may not be as knowledgeable (given that the adult sections are much larger), but they have the same resources available to them. And, as my roommate would attest, there are some who are quite knowledgeable to the graphic novel sections. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I am all for free access to information and yes it is the parents responsibility to say what is or is not appropriate, but lets make somethings clear
1) the 10 year old girl in question probably had no clue what the book was about. 2) the parents where not involved but a grandmother who probably saw it as a comic book if she looked at all 3) this is not the adventures of tom sawyer and huckle berry fin this is a gay love prono at least to some extent 4) there are far better and possibly more edgy manga that she could have read. for example koi kaze |
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smashwagon
Posts: 50 Location: Dunedin, Florida |
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Heck, I know that when I was ten and wanted to know about sex, I definitely went to the library. They have a lot of useful books and films that you don't necessarily want to be found reading /watching when you are that age.
When a library stops being a place for learning, it stops having a function. |
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tygerchickchibi
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Yes, most likely, which in all seriousness, doesn't bother me. She may have looked at it and flipped it. Curiousity is just inevitable for things that one may not completely understand at that age.
I could've sworn it was her uncle. o_o'
Even books like that were BANNED for its content. :/ There are tons of books in the library that deal with sexuality. There will always be a person who will be curious. Like someone said, the kid could've picked it up and read it there. I don't know what to tell ya. Would it really make a difference if it was a strait love porno?
LOL NO. Don't do that. She's only 10. She's not some inhibited otaku yet. I think her parents should ask her what she likes and hopefully can do some research or ask a librarian or someone with that knowledge to help her (with any books, not just appropriate manga). I doubt it though, because the guardian is probably on the anime/comic books = kid content all the time.
Thanks, kind of refreshing of a read. I don't know anything about library rules. |
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Dessa
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Some more input from my roommate, actually, that she's not realizing she's giving me:
If someone asks if a book is appropriate, she can't give them an opinion. In a case such as this, if the girl, grandmother (who apparently dropped her off), uncle, parents, etc, asked her, she could show them the parental advisory, could point out the age rating, could tell them some of the content of the book, but she could not tell them if it would or would not be appropriate. It's not her decision to make. She can give them the information to allow them to make the decision, but she cannot tell them or make the decision for them. Also, for the questions regarding Circulation Clerk check-out vs. Self Check-Out, most libraries in this area have self check-out available. Given that Burien is an urban/sub-urban area, I'd guess that they do have self check-out available. |
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TG72
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The library where I volunteer is set up this same way and it seems to work very well. |
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catandmouse
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If this happened a few days after the girl had checked out the book, I wonder if she had actually gone through it, or if she only picked it up because it had a drawing on the cover?
Secondly, this is her uncle's reaction, what was her parent's reaction? And third, the uncle seems to be the one freaking out. Maybe her parents let her read whatever she wants and keep an open communication with her, so if she doesn't understand something about what's going on she can ask them? As an example, I saw my first rated R movie when I was 9, my brother was 6. Our parents never really forbade us from watching/reading whatever we wanted, age was never an issue. I love the library's response, but I do wonder what is the response of the girl and her parents. |
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Greboruri
Posts: 381 Location: QBN, NSW, Australia |
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Right, so homosexuality bad, incest good. |
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Fencedude5609
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Actually, by all reports this was an ILL book, so she actually requested it and it was sent over from another branch.
Also, the girl wanted to get off to hot guys [expletive], more power to her. It would have been maximum hilarity if it had been something like Hanjuku Joshi though. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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In Australia, anything unsuitable for kids has to be checked out at the counter. I think it's less a problem with that library in particular and more a problem with American Libraries in general.
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Mohawk52
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At 10 I was sneaking a look at Playboy whilst covering it with a Beano comic in our local corner shop. The shop keeper couldn't be arsed to move the bread and cake stand that hide us whilst we was doing it. Ah, sex education in the 60's. I would have added to that respose from the Library system. "we've also taken the step of cancelling your priviliges until you can prove to be a more responsible parent, or guardian. "
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Ladymage Samiko
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Requesting vol. 2 would imply that she had already gotten hold of vol. 1, which says what exactly about the attentiveness of her elders…? (-_-;) Honestly, I think that as an indirectly related adult, the uncle should be chewing out her parents (or whomever), who have a direct responsibility for keeping an eye on their child's material, not the library system. |
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gorbal
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Whatever your arguments, please stop calling it porn. I might consider manga that fits the original definition of "yaoi" pornographic, but this particular title is more like a love story with a few sex scenes.
People keep changing the definition of yaoi and now many apply the genre to any series with gay sex, even if it is minimal. This was originally meant to apply to novels that were purely pornographic; so people instantly infer that this title is porn without even looking at it, due to the title of the news release. I do wish they would call it "BL" instead. |
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