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INTEREST: Tokyo Court Rejects Agency's Damage Claim Against Former Idol for Dating

Mohawk52 wrote:

Dating doesn't automatically mean a girl is still not "pure" and just what does that mean anyway? I certainly hope this girl's parents were fighting in her corner with her. No contract should suspend one's human rights. This will unlock the shackles from the necks and feet of a lot of these young girls as it should.

Basically it means the nerdy and creepy crowd can dream about having "her" for "themselves", which obviously cannot happen if she "belongs" to a boyfriend. It is incredibly creepy how sexually oriented this whole thing is. I may be exagerating but the fact that otaku look up at an "illusion" in the opposite gender, ergo the idols, that they think they "own" but never remotely do so, can end up on many on those individuals having awkward or otherwise poor interaction with the opposite gender, that ultimetaly traduce into Japan's poor birth rates. This whole thing needs to change not only for the sake of idols but also for the sake of their society as a whole.

This one case is nice for the idol in question, but it is not a sign of change or hope. People are forgetting our own court system. Just because one judge showed a little mercy or pity, it is not a sign of change. Every judge is a human being, with their own individual ideas and bias. Signs of change come from the higher courts.

With reference to the idol industry, this has been explained many times already. The idol industry only exists because of the rabid fans and their draconian ideals. You don't meet their ideals you have no fan base. No fan base means you are not making any money.

I laugh at all the comments of us westerners acting like these girls all have monster parents with barbed whips forcing their children into this industry. While blissfully ignoring the fact that if such an industry existed in the United States you would have tons of girls selling their souls for a chance to be picked up. As for the purity and chaste clauses, well, it is called paying your dues.

Coming from a country that supposedly values freedom, I understand why many of the commenters don't like the industry, but it is also against our values to deny others the freedom of choice. Just because we don't like their career choice, doesn't give us the right to say they shouldn't have the opportunity.

Honestly, what's the point of looking cute and singing for a large crowd if you're legally forbidden from finding love? It's pointless. I hope she doesn't get into trouble for following her heart.

louis6578 wrote:

Honestly, what's the point of looking cute and singing for a large crowd if you're legally forbidden from finding love? It's pointless. I hope she doesn't get into trouble for following her heart.

She can't be a waifu if she's not pure. Pureness requires chasteness.
It's all about selling a perversion to a bunch of adult men/women perverts.

Not true, a waifu/husbando could have had sex or been in a relationship and still be such.

Dating IS pure, the managers should use common sense and not listen to deranged fans who don't have much common sense.

Which is sad, a lot of idols are talented and have great personalities, to be treated as only a sex symbol and nothing else is missing the point.

to be treated as only a sex symbol and nothing else is missing the point.

Ah but in Japan it is the point. because youth isn't just envied, it's worshiped like a deity, and what is the most fantasied daydream for a male, or female? It is to be the first to break the cherry of a virgin especially one who is seen as a goddess, or god. It's always one of the top five tags, if not the top, in most hentai manga or doujin.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Ah but in Japan it is the point. because youth isn't just envied, it's worshiped like a deity, and what is the most fantasied daydream for a male, or female? It is to be the first to break the cherry of a virgin especially one who is seen as a goddess, or god. It's always one of the top five tags, if not the top, in most hentai manga or doujin.

I've was under the impression that it was mostly a male power fantasy. The guys who are dreaming about this creepy, de-humanizing stuff want someone who they can control, who will obey *them*. The sex part is merely a vehicle -- a way of *showing* that the cute girl is *his*. Much like rape, it's not the sex per se, but the power that is important.

I wonder if we're at the beginning of a revolution of sorts? Maybe more idols will see this and demand that such clauses be removed from their contracts. Would be a nice change to see. But on the flip side, I hope they don't get to American levels, where every single time anyone of the opposite sex even hangs out "_ is dating _, read all about it here!"

From a normal persons standpoint it's seems like a good decision that such a practice was ruled unjust, but from a business/legal standpoint these girls are in the wrong.

So maybe these girls need to either make sure that they aren't seen in public with their boyfriend and keep their private lives really secret or wait until their career is over which in most cases is only a few years before they want to start a relationship with someone.

I really need to interject here. A lot of the fan reaction to the Miyano thing a few years back was revolting, definitely, but it's not comparable. Miyano's career didn't suffer at all. He is still one of the hottest names in the seiyuu industry and still has a massive legion of fans that adore him.
Meanwhile, if we look at what happened when there was controversy with a female seiyuu - Aya Hirano - for the horrible crime of 'having consensual sex', her fan base all shrank to a small percentage of what it was originally, her fans were burning her CDs and even merch of characters that she played, and she went from one of the most popular female seiyuu to one hardly anyone ever sees in anime credits these days and she -isn't even an idol-. So yeah, this is about gender, and don't try to pretend women arent affected far worse by it. Male idols may suffer the same bullshit and there are definitely some terrible instances of it but they never get dragged for it remotely as much.

The parents often pressure them to be idols, for adults and older teenagers it's a choice but the young ones are often forced into it.

An idol industry would be restricted in the US to 18, so we wouldn't have issues like this and most likely no purity contracts either.

As for "paying your dues", there are better and more reasonable ways of doing that for idols. Also, it isn't that we don't like their career choice we want it to change for the better.