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Zhou-BR
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Agreed, but unlike the reviewer, I think the show should be commended for cutting out that crappy speech. |
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bleachj0j
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I wish the review didn't remind me of Temari's weird ass rant. I wiped it from memory.
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Kirki
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I think that this was what he meant to say but he was sarcastic about it. That speech had no business in our screens and it was a sensible choice to cut it off. To me it seemed like Ohba's own rant about justifying his own homophobic remarks in a real life conversation that he just wanted to put on paper to get it out of his system. It's that random and cut out from the rest of the story - not that it has showcased the greatest writing ever so far anyways. Made me really happy that LxLight is one of the most popular BL ships, not for any other reason other than it must have made him fume. 
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Cutiebunny
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I never thought Temari's rant was homophobic but more a general comment on how crappy the goals of the main characters are. If your goal is to eliminate the poor and ugly, how do you decide who qualifies? And once you presumably get rid of those that you or society feels fit these qualifications, those that once might have been considered middle class or "5s" are now the poor/ugly ones. Do you get rid of them too until there's no one left?
Regarding her opinion on homosexuality, it is one that a lot of Japanese people share. There are businesses, apartments, etc. that will turn you away for your sexual preferences in Japan. Same thing with being a foreigner - some landlords won't lease their property unless you're Japanese. While I disagree with refusing to do business with those based on sexual preference and nationality, as these practices still exist in 2022, it's clear that there are many Japanese nationals that agree with them. |
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ATastySub
Past ANN Contributor
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Really like how you went from “I don’t think it was homophobic” on to a whole second paragraph of homophobic actions that you yourself associated with it. |
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Electric Wooloo
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And many Japanese people are Homophobic, cause that's what it is. Just because there are a lot of people with the same opinion doesn't make that opinion defenseable. |
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BonusStage
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Her speech was more about how people conflate dislike with actual discrimination. Saying you dislike something is far different than actually wanting to harm or destroy something. She uses an example of how if they're the same then someone refusing to date an ugly person would be considered discriminatory and on the same level as wanting to harm said ugly person, which is the kind of logic some incels use when women refuse their advances. I think her example was very interesting because dating preferences are something that absolutely get scrutinized in some circles. Whether it's people refusing to date fat people, or lesbians refusing to date transwomen, people have a lot of strong opinions about people having dating preferences and consider them discriminatory. |
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave
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Didn't her speech start with being annoyed at other character's behavior, something she didn't have to react at all? I will always defend anyone's right to have any preferences they happen to have, no matter how un-PC, but if I understand that manga page correctly, she criticized someone explicitly for gushing about another man, completely unprompted.She didn't even had to mention the gay part to say that constant gushing is annoying. |
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lossthief
ANN Reviewer
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For full context, since the whole scene was cut from the anime, the lead up to those pages were
- Mirai and Saki go off to have their whole pyramid love confession - Hoshi notices they're missing - Yuri suggests they may have run off rather than face Yoneda - Hoshi says he trusts Mirai, possibly due to being under the influence of Mirai's red arrow That leads into Yuri's line about "guy-on-guy" being "hard to take". So no, it has 0 connection with what she rants about after that. Nobody was telling her she has to be attracted to women, or date a woman, or marry a woman, or anything. She said something rude because Hoshi expressed a pretty standard amount of trust in another man, and apparently that was too gay for her to let go without a snide comment. Then when she was mildly scolded by 1 person for a microaggression, she went on that totally unrelated list of whataboutisms. Like I said in the review, it's totally unprompted by anything going on in the scene or the story at large. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with any of the other characters' motivations or goals, like somebody suggested. |
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FilthyCasual
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I didn't know that you guys could give ratings in increments below .5s. Sure there are the meme values, but still.
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Kirki
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We're here! Don't despair! Let's add some more questions: Where did the argument about knowing the future even come from? What were they even talking about? How could those girls be as tragically stupid as to fall for that tragically stupid trap? Why does Mirai get even more obnoxious every time he opens his mouth? Those are the real philosophical questions. |
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lossthief
ANN Reviewer
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It gets even funnier in the manga. They cut out part of Yoneda's speech where he says humanity not only will achieve transhumanist immortality, but will be able to control space-time to where they can predict the infinite future 100% accurately AND create time machines. But since there's never been somebody who came back in time, that means humanity must have discovered that you cannot change the future. Temari responds with "Well OBVIOUSLY that means The Time Patrol is doing their job and keeping people from changing the course of history!" Yoneda look at her like she's the dumbest person on earth and then they abruptly stop talking about it. It's amazingly dumb. |
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Minos_Kurumada
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Why Mirai cares about Saki dying?
Isn't it established there is a heaven in this universe and if she dies she goes there and he as God can go and visit her, revive her or whatever? |
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Kirki
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But where does Yoneda get the audacity from? Like, how is what Temari's saying more ridiculous than the whole theory he just pulled right from the backside of his right flipper? Dude, if you're going to tell us in full seriousness that time travel will be possible, then anyone is allowed to tell you that they'll be authorities regulating it. She's just matching your energy! (But she's not a scientist so she shall be unceremoniously dismissed by your superior intellect I guess)
Congratulations you just rightfully negated the entire concept of the series. Which is basically live, because as long as you live you can be happy. But that should be based on the fact that you only have one life. When we've seen angels carrying souls to heaven, it's pretty much like saying afterlife exists.
Probably the inner train of thought (which is never cleared up for us) is that heaven doesn't actually exist, nobody knows what happens to those souls, and nobody knows what becoming God will actually mean and what they'll be able to do or not do once they become it, so they don't want to risk it. |
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theroonco
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You see, the problem here is that you've thought about this way more than Ohba did, which is to say: you thought about it. Also, @lossthief, I don't know if you're the one reviewing these episodes, but if you are: thank you. These are by far the best part of the entire Platinum End franchise, so thank you for suffering for our enjoyment. |
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