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Lostlorn Forest
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Um... the story is the porn. What do you mean? |
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jymmy
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Again, what do you actually mean and why does it bother you? "Immoral"? Are you saying that you don't agree with (animated only?) depictions of sex, or are you actually limiting it to (male only?) homosexuality? The fact that you'd single out yaoi as opposed to, say, shotacon or what the article this talkback thread is about discusses stands out and it's not clear where you're coming from. |
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Lili-Hime
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Wow... disgusting? Traumatizing? O.o dude if you don't like it don't read/watch it. It's there for the people that enjoy it. Extreme shouta con stuff is disturbing but there's nothing inherently immoral about yaoi. Last edited by Lili-Hime on Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:26 am; edited 1 time in total |
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manapear
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What exactly are you talking about in the first paragraph? I don't that specific mascot even. Just how there's also a tendency to create characters that appear underage, but aren't. Still lolibaiting. Like in Needless. Or any other number of series in which a character is supposed to be ancient, but of course they stop aging at prepubescent. (Owario no Seraph being a recent example; and one in which I even like the female vampire I'm referencing.) I'm worried less about this specific mascot, and more about the pattern of using underaged girls and sexualizing them. How many shows is that the case with each season? How often does it pop up in new video games? And as I mentioned, the problem isn't just with Japan; but with anime and gaming now, there is a bigger shift to using lolibait to draw attention at least. Very different than the previous uses of younger, female characters. (Relying on their innocence and purity to act as sexuality is still kind of gross to me, but at least the situations weren't as skeevy.) Didn't seem like you took my opinion or stance all that seriously in the first place though, so I'm not going to bother going on tangents explaining myself thoroughly. ^u^; |
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Exalted Incarnate
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When I was talking about yaoi I ment it for both real life and anime, but as I can see this topic is bringing tension, I would believe it be wise to withdraw from this unpleasant topic.
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FenixFiesta
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Just to clear this up, I think the term you are actually offended by would be "Objectification" where a character or performance exists solely to be "fap material". This being the thing, even if a piece of media has moe characters it does not automatically mean it is objectifying woman to a level that men think "woman exist only to be my waifu", that would be the fault of writers and society in general that promote such a concept. The art could be made to be closer to photo realistic, western comic, or CG style and still create storylines that create an objectifying narrative. |
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BadNewsBlues
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They're a far worse things a child can be exposed to sexy characters in sexy outfits isn't one of them. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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I think that quote pretty much speaks for itself, but yea there is often quite an eye to attractiveness/sexuality in these Moe characters, and often times it does go into an obsession with youth with a mentality toward "the younger looking the better." |
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FenixFiesta
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Except the article is basing it on the assumption that the moe characters being viewed by society are not confined to a rare otaku aimed fandom, it is in practice pretty much blaming Pretty Cure and K-on Style type moe for the supposed sexual objectification of pubescent girls in the eyes of adult men that after seeing enough street signs covered in moe characters they would be willing to arbitrarily molest, if not outright rape, a girl they just meet in opportunity. If she WAS referring to specific genre of animation/manga, little doubt there would be differentiation, but the article is pretty much implying that even "advertisement moe" is somehow the most insidious thing in modern Japan in regards to putting woman down. |
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Polycell
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It's sad that the Japanese are only now waking up - this is a serious case of closing the barn door after the horse is out. spoiler[This is all the fault of those satanic Pokemons!]
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Let's keep it civil folks. Already had to clean up some overly rude, or pointless one liner/image posts.
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manapear
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Well, yes and no. I'm very aware of objectification, but that isn't all I meant either. Of course that's a problem, especially if the character is underage or lolibait. But that alone is not my issue. And sure, storylines could do that, but when art itself exists, it can still do that and doesn't need an outside story to do the job for it. Plenty of art objectifies its subject (especially if it's meant to be moe, but in a way, that's kind of the purpose anymore). Just as an example, and I'll even use male characters to help get my point across; the characters in this image are not being objectified, unlike the characters in this image. Even though the latter is made to pander to fujoshi, both shows have quite a fujoshi following and art that overlaps in that case. But here specifically, in the first image, the scene isn't meant to arouse the viewer, or make them "protective" of the subject. It's just them hanging out, and it's nice. In the latter, they're looking at the viewer, fairly unclothed, and posed in a way to elicit arousal. And like I said before, it makes me uncomfortable with male characters too, but I can handle it better when the characters at least look older. A couple of the characters in Free! can get away with that for me, but the problem with a lot of female character depictions, is how reliant they are on them being perceived as young. Older characters (older than early 20s) being sexualized is kind of rare in a way, and generally it's the one (maybe two) women that fulfill the "oneesan" role or something. Personally, I just wish people wouldn't sexualize (or objectify~) underage/younger characters so much. It will happen, but it's so frequent and ubiquitous. That's a problem. Normalizing that is a problem. For a variety of reasons, but most importantly, for the young people that have to take in that imagery. Those characters aren't sexualized to help younger people feel comfortable with their sexuality; it's done for the benefit of older people. There's nothing wrong with making something for younger people to help navigate their sexuality, but that is far from what's going on, and lets not pretend that sexualized depictions in media even tend to get close to healthy or realistic portrayals of sexuality. |
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tsundereikemen
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If people can't distinguish fiction from reality then I'd be worried. But I think most people around here would know what is real from not so that means most people have a brain to know that.
The picture was cute though, sure some people might think flat-chest is BEST but that still doesn't make it sexy - of course, to me it isn't. But anyways, 2D is 2D, 3D is 3D. Plus 2D > 3D when it comes to fictional waifus and husbandos so why look at real children inappropriately? If you do that, that's well, gross, and perhaps you do need help. |
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