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NEWS: Virginia Man's 20-Year Sentence for Anime Child Porn Upheld

Sock wrote:

nooneofconsequence wrote: Basroil wrote: I have no problems with his conviction seeing as he had real child porn but the inclusion of drawings is unbelievable. This is the death of the US Constitution if having any kind of drawing can put you in prison. The US Constitution is a living and adaptable document that will survive. It was designed to be tested like this. I mean stuff like the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, Espionage Act of 1917, Sedition Act of 1918, and Smith Act should have killed it a few times already if we want to use your and others' alarmist rationale. If something is truly unconstitutional, the US Supreme Court will find it so and remedy the situation. Underage porn no matter if it is either the real deal or something illustrated is just wrong, and I strongly feel that fandom should grow a pair and set some standards about what situations to support in these types of cases instead of going into either a Chicken Little mode or persecution complex about the First Amendment. The stuff these guys were arrested with is a completely different nature than what you find in mainstream Japanese magazines like Megami or anime like Mahoromatic. With the Catholic priest scandals, Michael Jackson trial, large child porn ring busts, and the fact that child slavery is very alive and well throughout the world, I really can't feel sorry for anyone who goes to trial for possession of loli porn... especially with some of the more hardcore stuff. Reality is way too sobering to elicit any of my sympathy. So you're willing to let someone who didn't do anything wrong to go to jail just for a drawing? And you DON'T see how this can turn into a downhill tumble? I don't feel any sympathy for the guy in this case (I even laughed about it) nor do I like loli porn, but to jail someone just for thought and not action is, to me, morally bankrupt. At that point, you're not judging a man by his deed, you're judging him by his thought. Yes I pulled out the thought crime card, because that's exactly what you are suggesting should be put into effect.

When you're single, you get morally outraged about censorship.

AFTER you have your own kids or have younger siblings and cousins you care about, then you understand why people get up in arms about pedophilia in ANY shape and form.

Japan's going through some soul-searching on this, too, if you haven't noticed the increasing news about crackdowns on some forms of hentai. There's a heck of a lot of sexual harrassment in public towards women and school girls over there and they've had their own school shootings, too.

Unfortunately, in all human society, there are degenerates that do act out some incredibly horrific scenarios. Ideas do get put into people's heads through movies, books and films. Generally, we're talking about people (men AND women) who were dirtbags or had a few screws loose in the first place.

Look, you can make up statistics and word questionnaires however you want to support your position. It doesn't change the fact that some horrible things arise from the more extreme and outrageous forms of entertainment. There are definitely people who you have to watch out for, and, unfortunately when society doesn't keep an eye on its predators kids and women are usually the ones who suffer to the point of sexual abuse and/or murder.

When you're an adult, to each his own discretion on the limits of what they consider good taste and within their own acceptable limits of violence... I, for one, don't particularly go for things that dwell on forms of torture, humiliation, and degradation of any human being or animal.

However, when very young kids enter your world, your own rules have to be changed for their safety and their general well-being and development.

I have encountered far too many people and brats in real-life who had parents that didn't put any kind of limits on them, or didn't seem to give a darn for their kids. It generally isn't for the better in those cases.

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And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

"And then they came for the trade unionists,
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"And then they came for the Jews,
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"And then . . . they came for me . . .
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What else do you think the people here are arguing about in the first place? I can tell you this, it isn't about whether its ok or not for someone to have real child pornography.

How'd this go from "loli = BAD" to revolutions and uprisings, anyway?

Unit 03.5-ish wrote:

How'd this go from "loli = BAD" to revolutions and uprisings, anyway?

May I trouble you to elaborate on that

Unit 03.5-ish wrote:

How'd this go from "loli = BAD" to revolutions and uprisings, anyway?

May I trouble you to elaborate on that

zerome wrote:

What else do you think the people here are arguing about in the first place? I can tell you this, it isn't about whether its ok or not for someone to have real child pornography.

And that is what is making me wonder whether the arguments are really worth the efforts that are put into them. The amount of defence for the sub-genre is making me feel like that in the end it really isn't worth defending in the first place. Now I'm starting to get the feeling of how a certain ANN administrator has been feeling all these years in his stance on the issue of lolicon. I've been on the fence about it but now I'm really starting to lean over to the side that to me makes sense. And it isn't in defence of loli.

nbahn wrote:

Unit 03.5-ish wrote: How'd this go from "loli = BAD" to revolutions and uprisings, anyway? May I trouble you to elaborate on that

Well, nbahn just invoked Godwin's law, so is there any way the management would kill this completely misguided armchair lawyering?

zerome wrote:

What else do you think the people here are arguing about in the first place? I can tell you this, it isn't about whether its ok or not for someone to have real child pornography.

And that is what is making me wonder whether the arguments are really worth the efforts that are put into them. The amount of defence for the sub-genre is making me feel like that in the end it really isn't worth defending in the first place. Now I'm starting to get the feeling of how a certain ANN administrator has been feeling all these years in his stance on the issue of lolicon. I've been on the fence about it but now I'm really starting to lean over to the side that to me makes sense. And it isn't in defence of loli.

That's fairly weak actually. That's like saying that because you don't want to help those being oppressed, you're joining the side of the oppressors.

This is about defending your right to be an individual.

Well, maybe that's because my ground is different from the rest of those who wish it to be more so. I've never been an avid reader of loli, while I have had the opportunity to read it, the genre is not appealing at this point in time. Which is why I don't understand why many are now trying to defend the genre. The man does deserve to be in jail, and while I would to an extent agree that he does not deserve to be in jail for the loli that he possessed, my standing on the loli issue is such as I have been saying right now.

If lolicon becomes illegal, things that are right now "borderline" lolicon might also fall under the law. For example Haruhi porn and almost ALL hentai that depicts school girls (which IS pretty much all hentai). So yeah. I defend all of it.