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ConanSan
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I'm not saying I condone the practice. However, I also don't condone not_available.jpg ether. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I wouldn't say this is going to kill fansubbing, maybe for the less important shows, but people still recognize good and bad quality as far as encoding goes, and CR was on the bad side of it.
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ConanSan
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They're good if you have 30 minutes spare and you want to watch something.
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BorgmanJayce
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In all honesty, I don't share your eager optimism as it still doesn't address the fact that shows like Slam Dunk, Fist of the North Star and Digimon 02 which should be easily available worldwide aren't and to be VERY brutally honest, no matter how much you and certain other people try to sugarcoat it, it will be years if at all before the likes of CR even bother thinking about getting official licenses for the rest of the world and in Toei's case, I definitely don't hold out any hope at all if CR are that stupid to not even think about speaking to the likes of Toei's Paris and Shanghai offices to cover certain other parts of the world... Did you even read my post stating that if the animation production companies switched to a English-language worldwide licensing system rather than the archaic region licensing system that's currently in place, people outside North America wouldn't be complaining and 'bawwing' [your words, not mine] about the situation. I have no sympathy for CR at all in that their current unpopularity is of their own making at the end of the day, and the sooner they learn the lesson that they deserve to learn in losing more and more customers by the day until they go bankrupt, the better because even though I have sympathy for their members, I have no sympathy for the people who run the company and just see their members as cashcows! Just in case you didn't get what I said the first time, it goes like this: Anime production/distribution companies change their licensing system to a English-language worldwide one = more moolah for the companies concerned and everybody wants more moolah, right? You can believe what you want, I have no problem with that at all, it's just the fact that CR lied to their non-North American members that I have a major beef with in the first place. If they truly cared about their members in Europe, why didn't they speak to the likes of Lace Media, Beez and Manga Entertainment about obtaining European licenses at the same time as obtaining the NA ones. As for shows like "Viewtiful Joe", I still find it weird that even though the Republic of Ireland is part of Great Britain, CR still didn't think to consider making sure that they got a license for this show and other shows that cover the rest of Great Britain unless the CR suits are really crap at geography and don't even know that the Republic of Ireland is part of Great Britain. [That plus the anime that's released in Ireland is the same that's released in the rest of GB except that the covers have the logo of the BBFC as well as its Irish counterpart] How about we just agree to disagree at the end of the day because I can clearly see that I'm not going to win you or anybody else who feels the same way as you round to my point of view and that of the others who have a similar beef against CR and the license holders. Shuchung, I didn't make any assumptions that you were from America at all? At least Taiwanese anime fans are lucky that they can get official merchandise and buy anime legally as well as even have their own version of Newtype whereas in the UK, we have to rely on imported merchandise and for most of our manga as well, we have to rely on imported manga due to the likes of Viz's UK distributors taking a absolute age to release stuff that's not Naruto/Bleach/Death Note related [one example being FMA which is only just starting to get a official release this month]. As for anime, we don't even have much of a choice of releases compared to other countries that have a wider selection of legal releases which is why a lot of us end up importing from the US in the first place [in fact my only UK anime purchase was the Volume 1 special edition of Haruhi Suzumiya and even then that was only because the PAL versions of the SE are LE!], hell, even the Aussies have a bigger choice of anime than us Brits and they use the same TV system as us. Things are changing though in the form of certain exclusives, most notably Blue Dragon getting a English-subtitled and uncut UK-exclusive release later this year from Manga Entertainment. As for yelling at Toei et al, thank you for your kind suggestion but I think I'll pass as I don't think they can exactly hear me yelling at them in Tokyo all the way from the UK! 
samuelp, I share your concern about what HS are doing but at the same time, I don't think that the fansubbing community will die out any time soon ause of what these guys are doing as long as there's plenty of anime to be fansubbed especially classic 80's/90's anime [and I'm particularly looking forward to seeing Borgman and Shurato get finished eventually one day in fansubbed form]. I'm also sure that there will be fansub groups who'll do the more popular anime that CR are doing for various reasons, the main one being so that people in other parts of the world can see what CR won't even let them buy legally. At the end of the day, CR's business plan is totally, utterly flawed in that they're relying too much on the North American market to support their business and misrepresenting themselves to be offering legal anime to a global market when they're clearly not offering what they're advertising on their website and they leave it up to the customer to find out what their membership really buys. Anyway, seeing as it looks like us Brits can't seem to get our point across about the fact that CR is basically giving us the middle finger and that we have every right to feel angry at them, I've decided to stop my so-called rants in this thread but at the same time, my views about the CR business plan and the anime production/distribution companies reluctance to embrace a worldwide license system because they seem to be scared of change [with the notable exception of Funi and Gonzo for the most part] will not change at all even if certain people do try [and fail!] to try and persuade me to their way of thinking. |
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Shuchung
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You just don't really get it, do you. CR is doing your country's anime industry a favor by not taking away their chance to make money off licensing these titles. Why are you so eager to let a US-based company take away all the potential profits of this business opportunity? If you go through CR's program list, you'd notice that a lot of shows aren't available for Japan,Korean,Taiwan, and other Asian regions. Why? Because some company in these countries already secured the distribution rights over there and CR would hurt their business if they removed the regional block. CR is not giving your country the finger, your own incompetent local licensors are. |
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BorgmanJayce
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Seeing as you're coming across as ranting and raving at me, I'll make an exception in replying to your post even though I said I was finsihed with this thread... 1) Please kindly stop ranting and raving as it doesn't make you look good. 2) Please stop being arrogant and thinking that you're lucky just because Taiwan has a wide choice of manga and anime to choose from as well as manhua PLUS they have a huge amount of special events and guests from Japan visiting on a regular basis as well as live action adaptations of manga like Hana Yori Dango. [BTW, I'm not racist in any way if I come across as having a huge hatred for Taiwanese anime fans, I just hate people who try to get their point across while ranting and raving] 3) Please don't call the licensors in the UK incompetent and stop kissing CR's ass as it's not our fault we don't have much in a choice of anime as it's the fault of the BBFC for making the anime licensors jump thru all kinds of hoops including having to have extras for DVD's rated seperately when they go up for review for a age rating unlike the USA which doesn't have a age-rating system for DVD's/Blu-Rays.. 4) If I were you, I'd seriously lay off the decaff or whatever you're drinking as it's causing you to lose coherent thought.[/sarcasm] 5) As I said before to another person in this thread and to you as well [unless you missed that particular point of the post], let's just agree to disagree at the end of the day before this thread ends up in a flame war of epic proportions and get locked. 6) I did go through CR's list and I'm genuinely surprised that you're not "bawwing" at CR giving Taiwan the middle finger! 7) CR is NOT doing Europe any favors at all because if legal downloads ever did happen in Europe, any company that set up a EU equivalent would only be interested in the good stuff and not anything else that CR is offering like live-action dramas from Korea and China [in my case, I can DL them via BT from certain specialist fansub groups but others may not want to go through the hassle of doing this just to watch a show they like such as the 2006 remake of "Condor Hero" which even though it's got official subs on CR, isn't available to people in the rest of the world outside Asia] so in other words, people outside North America would still need to resort to illegal means to watch what they want to want and everything would be back to square one at the end of the day. 8) Did I say that I wanted a US-based company to take away any potential UK-based opportunity for legal anime? In any case, I'd rather it be a company that offered downloads to anybody in the world without DRM and with decent quality encodes unlike the so-called quality that CR are willing to rip off their paid members with. [and yes, I know that the quality is pants due to the fact that it's what they've been offered by the licensors so please don't lecture me on that!] 9) I do get what you're talking about and there's no need to act all Mr Angry about it! 10) And finally, stop taking things so seriously and stop thinking that CR are the good guys when they're clearly not! walw6pK4Alo, I agree with you about CR's encodes being bad. [NOTE TO MODS: Even though I promised I wouldn't post in this thread any more, I decided to make an exception in this case due to Shuchung's attitude towards me even though I clearly stated to him that we should just draw a line and let's just agree to disagree at the end of the day. I would like to apologise to you guys about this but clearly some people seem to think that CR are in the right about their current business plan and don't seem to want to listen to the opposing point of view from people who are affected by CR's so-called "new" legit version. Last edited by BorgmanJayce on Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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edzieba
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The point is that LOCAL LICENSORS ARE DEEEEEEEEEEAD for online distribution. [s]Your average anime watcher[/s] any anime watcher doesn't give two shits about whether his/her 'local industry'* benefits from his purchases, especially when his/her 'local industry' doesn't, and likely never will, actually make titles available for purchase.
*i.e. not an industry at all. In England's case, almost always a bunch of incompetants that couldn't IVTC their way out of a wet paper bag, and don't even have to provide translations or dubs, but still manage to delay releases by a year or more, if ever. inb4 someone blaming the BBFC, ignoring the paltry handful of simultaneous releases to the contrary. ::EDIT::
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Shuchung
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I sure am sorry that your local licensors are having so much trouble at securing rights to distribute titles in your country. It's truly regrettable that they are so bad at delivering content to your local network that you're actually angry at a US-based company for not stealing their jobs. I hope they are so helpless in their situation that eventually Toei will grant all the online distribution rights in England to CR. Perhaps then CR will be willing to take down the regional blocks and start collecting subscription fees from their UK members. Such shame. If only CR knows that they can profit from taking down regional blocks right now. |
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KabaKabaFruit
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Wow, those last few pages were sure....pointless.
Anyways, I watched the first episode of Harlock and Galaxy Express 999 and let me say that they were excellent. Sure, there were a few grammar inconsistencies and no subbed opening or closing songs (yet the placement songs within the episodes were subbed! Rights issue perhaps?) but I enjoyed the episodes greatly. The original GE 999 series was very very dark and that's one of the things that made it such a classic. Matsumoto knows how to tell a good story. Anothing thing I noticed is that it looks like Toei is using their remastered versions of the shows for Crunchyroll. Aside from certain jarring and a few whitespots, the material looks great! I'm eager to watch more! 
P.S. 300th post! 
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Weazul-chan
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sdhd
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Not looking forward to Shugo Chara.
Last edited by sdhd on Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:55 pm; edited 8 times in total |
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ConanSan
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I realy wish people would stop telling us to go talk to companies in our own countries.
I'm not waiting Six Months to get a disk that's Six Times the cost. That's not a solution, that's peeing on the wound; impractical, probably dangerous and totaly stupid. And that's if there's even going to be someone who will brave Toei/Media Blaster/Git Company X's Red Tape BS to get anywhere with this. It took us, what, Six Years to get Beserk over here? Who is going to wait untill 2015 to watch FoTNS? |
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configspace
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In the end, I believe there shouldn't really be any local licensing. It's just another middleman, another layer of overhead, another added expense. They can utiltize local services and share some rights with them, but not sell outright control for a region to some corporate entity.
In fact, I think studios should maintain the rights for themselves in the future and have the show producers + studio management deal with local services (translation and distribution) rather than hand complete ownership over to large publishers, or even worse, VC-like corps like d-rights/MFI. If people want most of their money to go to the creators themselves rather than the rights holder that would really be the way to go. It's like comparing the rights of Sony/BMG and the money they make vs those of your favorite small time band signed under Sony/BMG. |
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Kireek
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Naruto Shippuden Episode 91 (the all-new episode) will be available in a few more hours for Anime Members! Remember, crunchyroll is the only place on the internet you can watch new episodes this quickly
Funny this, because other sites have been ripping it of crunchyroll and putting it on theres on the same day. why did i make crunchyroll? i've always liked making websites, so one day i just randomly made crunchyroll for fun. it was created for me and my friends, but now it's grown into something i never really expected. originally i just wanted crunchyroll to be a cool place for people to hang out, but hopefully crunchyroll can do something pretty big and awesome someday Sure, and Im the King of England. So why should I use crunchyroll again? |
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