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Seljuk
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Otaking, I've been seriously reading all your posts, and you're pretty much just throwing up excuses because "BAWW ERIN DIDN'T MAKE FMP:TSR SHELF WORTHY BAWWWWWW!!!!!"
Forgive me for using the cruise control there, but really. Give it a rest. |
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21stcenturydigitalboy
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Fun as that may be, it strikes me as quite a bit of work not just to review all of these shows but actually have to watch all of them in a timely-enough manner to post on them. This week was at least a full day's worth of nonstop watching, and I'm sure she didn't watch it all at once... I'm honestly impressed keeping up with a thing like this is even possibly O_o |
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Ralifar
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Yeah, I suppose you're right. I was awake for over 24 hours, so I was being just a tiny bit more of an ass than usual, but I still think my point was valid. Just voicing complaints doesn't serve any purpose when you don't elaborate on them. Although, as can be seen by Otaking's statements sometimes elaborating on them doesn't do much good either. 
It just doesn't seem like you're making valid points Otaking. Sure you seem to disagree with the way Erin is taking Shelf Life, but that doesn't mean it can be any less helpful to you in deciding whether you want to watch something or not. If you completely disagree with what Erin says then you can probably assume that you don't have similar tastes and use that as a guideline when deciding whether or not something might be shelf worthy to you personally or not.
I don't even see what Bamboo not using multiple references in the past has to do with anything at all. |
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Prede
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I don't mind her talking about the entire series, even if she's only reviewing part of it. That still makes sense to me. And why shouldn't she mention other anime series? I feel if it's relevent she should totally mention what needs to be brought up (I do it all the time in my reviews, ie compareing "A Wind Named Amnesia" to "Kino's Journey" because they are attemping the same thing, and it gives people a heads up to what "A Wind Named Amnesia" is like. Since many people (although not enough, if you haven't seen this you have to like right now) have seen "Kino's Journey" it is helpful to the reader) . It helps make a review more useful if she can point to another anime series like it (as long as I saw that series of course ,) . So I like how she mentions other series. Name dropping series to be cool, not so much. But she hasn't done that.
Boy does this week's shelf life have a lot of hate. People need to learn not to be so evil on the internet . But really why all the hate this time? Ah pay them no mind Erin . I've been finding your reviews informative, helpful, and I love how in debth they are. SO you got one fan here  .
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Otaking09
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Oh well, it doesn't really matter...
I found it to be different, and I stated my opinion. Done. Sure, I was a bit harsh (yesterday wasn't a good day...), but hey, we all have different statements... As I said before, FMP: SR has no special place in my heart, but it is a good anime series, so I felt a bit betrayed. No one, including Erin, should take what I said personally, I just hope next week's Shelf Life will do better for me! |
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vashfanatic
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Funny. It was the sheer unbearable length of that arc, coupled with spending vast amounts of time in each episode recapping the previous one, that made me actually quit One Piece. Different strokes for different folks. Not everyone is going to like the same thing. |
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egoist
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That's just a poor excuse. The opening and recaps are done within the first few minutes. Therefore, they are easy to skip.
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Key
Moderator
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Fractional comparison arguments don't apply with series this long. I fully agree with UltimateSpaceLion; no one should have to watch 35 episodes of any series just to decided if it is to their taste or not, no matter how long the series may happen to be. You can claim, if you want, that a series gets really good at that point, but to expect people to watch that much before deciding if it's watchable or not is ridiculous. Even the longest of series need to have a strong enough hook up front to keep interest, and most series (especially long shonen series) establish their style early on and don't change it much. Anything more than 8-10 episodes to figure out if you'll like the whole thing or not is asking too much, and with most shorter series it should be only 4-5 episodes. |
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Animehermit
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its not like one piece is terrible in the first 30 episodes or so, it just crosses from mildly enjoyable to AWESOME in that arc. also, Erin, i actually did cry in the chopper arc, particularly that powerful scene when Luffy is carrying Nami and Sanji. |
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egoist
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Mm. Let me revise my experience with One Piece. The first time I came across this shonen anime, about 3 years ago, I gave up on episode one, simply because I disliked the art and Luffy's personality. Later on(about 2 years later), I remembered that first episode and finally began enjoying right from episode 1. My recommendation still stands, watch up to episode 10 and see if you like it or not. 10 episodes might be the exact number to get used to Luffy and the anime art, and if you do, great for you; enjoy over 400 episodes and 10 movies of pure goodness. And I gotta say, yeah, I enjoyed all of them.
About the FMP discussion. I must say, after watching that anime twice, I began finding many things really annoying. But I was a fool, the second time I watched it subbed instead of dubbed, and the Japanese seiyu were damn annoying, enough to make my ears bleed. |
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Wyvern
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On One Piece: Personally, I got sucked into OP much earlier, during the Kuro arc, which begins around episode 10 or 11, I believe. Kuro and Usopp were both such great characters, it really clicked with me then.
I would say that OP begins getting good around that point, and becomes GREAT during the Arlong arc. Anyway, I find it interesting that so many people see the show's length as such an entry barrier. It's not like you're obligated to watch it all continuously, or that once you've started to watch it you MUST keep going until the end. Just watch it at whatever rate you feel comfortable watching it. Watch one episode a day, or watch up to a certain point and then take a break for a few weeks. Whatever you prefer. And if it takes you years to catch up, so what? One of the biggest themes in the series is the idea that the journey is more important than the destination. On the column itself: I wouldn't change a thing. There are a million impersonal, dry anime review sites out there. What I like about shelf life is that it does include a personal touch from the author. The human touch matters a lot; that's what keeps people coming back to a column, far more than the reviews themselves. I disagreed with a lot of Bamboo's opinions, but I kept coming back every week because I liked what I read about Bamboo, the person. I'm glad Erin is continuing that style. And comparisons are not only an inevitable part of professional reviewing, they're one of the most useful parts for the audience. Everyone has a favorite series, and everyone is going to compare similar series to it. So telling your reader "if you liked X, you'll like Y," is just common sense. |
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John Casey
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Nope. No edits. I'm the one eating the pudding, not you. What gives you the right to demand the refund of something that I'm not selling, and you aren't buying? =___=;; But you know what...? If everyone would just SHUT UP and play nice....I'll share some of it. 
'Cept Otaking09. Fool's a godamned troll or something. 
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ikillchicken
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Really? Is this your first time reading the column? Sadly, this is actually pretty standard for Shelf life or really, anything on ANN that expresses an opinion. |
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Keonyn
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Well, the war of wits gets to end right here. As has been stated, people are expected to respond in a civil manner and at least have a discussion that is both civil and respectful. I don't care if the disrespectful actions are to attack the column, or to attack those attacking the columns, or just to be funny, it has no place here and isn't going to be tolerated. Keep this on topic and civil or we'll start handing out pink slips. Geez, this is a forum meant to cater to civil and intelligent discussion and debate, not an elementary school classroom.
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pparker
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Ah, the honeymoon is over
. The wedding dress lies cold in the closet, wrapped in plastic...
Erin's style is different, that's all. And it's a column. That is, more personal and conversational than just a series of reviews. That's the point and why I like it. My tastes also pretty much agree so far. Though... It's been a long time since I watched FMP/TSR, but definitely think it's Shelf Worthy if you bought the first two series. But just as Erin said, "solid entertainment, but I don't think it was $70 worth". Seems like a few posters here never got to that line, or couldn't see it by that time. I wouldn't pay $70 for it either, but would pay the $36.00 at Amazon just to upgrade to BD to watch it cleanly on HD equipment. On One Piece, there's no way a show should take 35 episodes to get good, or awesome or whatever. I'm not a fan of long-running serials anyway, mostly because I just get bored and am always looking for something new. But especially to think I would have to force myself to sit and watch a season-and-a-half of an anime to get to the "awesome" part... ugh, no thanks. I'll generally decide within 4 episodes whether to continue watching. No different than books. If an author hasn't hooked me by chapter 2 or maybe 3, I'm done with it. One of the appeals to me of 13-26 ep anime is the reasonable length, 26 being about the same time commitment as Lord of the Rings. My enjoyment of the first season is my gauge for watching the next, if any. I really appreciate the Tokyo Majin comments. Nothing burns my ass more than a show with an awesome start that instills high expectations, followed by mostly crap. You keep going, waiting for more of that first date experience, and in the end have wasted your time. Anyway, I do miss Bamboo's voice, but Erin is doing an admirable job. I just have to remember that her purpose isn't to fit into Bamboo's shoes. She has her own shoes to wear .
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