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edzieba
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Can't wait until my copy comes in. I've been rewatching the old one (upscales surprisingly well) at a pace of two episodes a day to get back into it and refresh my memory.
At first I was upset about some of the dub changes but on rewatching I'm glad that they basically gave the axe to everyone but Shinji and Misato. The loss of Gendo is heart breaking but hopefully the new guy can hold his own. |
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_V_
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Given that Evangelion remains perennially "that show no one understands, but lets make porn fanfiction out of it anyway"....even after 15 years...it seems that the series itself wasn't enough; or at least, that the wacky release schedule in America (FIVE YEARS for End of Eva to come out? And the Director's cut episodes only came out in 2004?).....a lot of people I run into at conventions have very little idea what these things are, but understand pretty well if you *bother to sit down and explain it to them* Or we can do what we've been doing: giggle at "haha Eva is that show that is impossible to understand" then go back to business-as-usual ANYONE is capable of fully understanding Evangelion, it was never truly that complicated. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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I think that the bulk of what "confuses" people about Eva falls into this category. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Eva is easy to understand. Ignore the Christian symbolism, it's all just RULE OF COOL and has absolutely nothing to do with the story. Eva is about getting over depression. It's not some grand non-understandable high class anime, I guess it just has a lot of elements that can throw you off.
Eva's problem is that anime fans watch it too early in their fandom. I know I'll be disagreed with, but I think it's an anime that really shows its importance after having seen a good number of stuff before it, especially the other Anno Gainax anime of Nadia and Gunbuster. |
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Quark
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It's kind of funny that you say that, as Evangelion was one of the first anime I ever watched, and I loved it right away. Eleven years later, I'm still a huge dork for it. Admittedly though, it's one of those shows that I appreciated a lot more the older I got. When I realized that the show was about overcoming depression, finding a purpose, and learning how to deal with the people around you, it started to have a lot of personal meaning to me. Nadia was awesome, and unfortunately I've yet to finish Gunbuster, but it was a lot of fun to find things in both series that ended up being used in Evangelion. |
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FlyingFox
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An A- for this piece of crap? It sucks just as much as the original.
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Quark
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Yes, how dare someone like a show that you didn't. I mean, thanks to all the reasons you've given, you've now convinced me that Eva is a huge pile of trash. Key, better go back and give it an F, because FlyingFox hates Eva. |
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Gewürtztraminer
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I am in the same boat, before Eva I had seen Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, pieces of Fullmetal Alchemist and Inyuyasha. I still rewatch episode 16 Splitting of the Breast every month or so, and sometimes that leads into rewatching from there to the end, and then on to End of Evangelion. I have both 1.01 dvd and now 1.11 on blu-ray and I want more. I cant put my finger on just any one thing about Evangelion that I like, I just know that for me it is highly entertaining. |
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Quark
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You know, I've been meaning to re-watch it again for the umpteenth time, but...I always found the first episodes to be kind of boring. Around the Jet-Alone episode, they started going the comedy route, and for some reason, that's the part where it starts to get a bit more interesting for me. Although I agree, Splitting of the Breast is where the show becomes something truly special. Although episode 15 has a special place in my heart as well, seeing as how I'm a huge Misato fan. Oh yeah, my re-watch as a stand-alone episode is 22: Don't Be. |
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maxxjulie
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i have an issue of Anime Insider that explains all of the religious symbolism in it. still makes no sense to me. |
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Shale
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As mentioned above, the explanation generally follows the form of:
Hideki Anno: "Hey, wouldn't it look cool if the Angel exploded into a huge cross? GAINAX staffer: Yeah! ~Fin~ |
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Keonyn
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Oh? It does? Holy crap! I better let the reviewer know right away that he is way off base on this!! Or. Hmmm, actually..... I won't. Why is it a piece of crap? What was bad about the original? What makes this one even worse? The reviewer provided their reasoning in the review, if you're going to criticize it then you can do a lot better than a one-liner. Plus, as I imagine you are familiar with the rules, then you know that one-liners that aren't contributing violate them. Particularly when that one-liner could easily be seen as trolling. So basically you need to add to the discussion and explain why you disagree with the review or simply don't bother commenting at all. |
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_V_
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And who WROTE those Anime Insider things, eh? Idiots like Taliesin Jaffe and Sean McCoy. Again, the problem isn't "explaining the religious references" -- there is NOTHING to explain. And of course, this led to fan backlash of "then its about nothing!" -- no, it was never about religion, the symbols were just to look cool, it was a psychological character study as well as a social commentary on Japan in the 1990's. the conversation goes something like this when trying to explain Eva: "What do all of those crosses mean??!?!?" "Oh, those are just to look cool. But pay attention here; Shinji has all of the common traits of Avoidant Personality Disorder, and Asuka has Narcissistic Personality disorder, and...." "But what do the crosses mean?!?!? I've spent the last week reading the bible and can now quote the Book of Revelations from memory!" "uh...that has nothing to do with anything; Anno & Gainax said they didn't base it on religion; Anno *DID* say he literally wrote the series with a psychology textbook in hand, which he had borrowed from a friend. anyway...." "BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE KABBALAH REFERENCES?!" "Again, picked more to "look cool" then have much higher meaning; oh they did bother to synch up some stuff like "the first Angel is Adam, and Evas (Eve) come from Adam" but that's on a comic book level. Anyway, you'll notice in episode 12 that they keep remarking on the differences between Misato's "Second Impact generation" and the younger children; this is a commentary on post-World War II generational divides in Japan, and..." "But I just spent a week reading the Kabbalah!" "uh....you just wasted a week of your life, then. Now notice how even from episode 1, you can see how their civilization rebuilt itself and there's ruins all around but they rose like a phoenix from the ashes; it's a commentary on how Japan rebuilt itself post-WWII, sort of like Akira, and..." "but there's so many crosses!" "FOR THE LAST TIME, stop focusing on those. Now notice how Misato is a strong independent woman while Gendo is an absent father, and Shinji is just overwhelmed; this is a social problem Japan has post-WWII and particularly due to the recession, where salaryman fathers are distant and for a patriarchal society, women are entering the workforce in record numbers and its very jarring to them and..." "WHO ARE YOU, TO SAY THE CROSSES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING!" "I'm no one: I'm quoting something the Gainax staff members have been openly and repeatedly saying. I'll even give you citations. Further, ***why are you so adamant the crosses mean something? I could understand if you had "a theory" about what they mean, but you don't; you're insisting that they have some meaning you "haven't figured out yet" -- maybe no one figured it out for 15 years because THERE WAS NOTHING TO FIGURE OUT" "Why would they put so many specific references to religion in the show, if not for us to whip out our bibles and figure it out?!" "This show wasn't made for an American audience; Gainax specifically said they only thought it would appeal to a Japanese audience; probably because it was a social commentary on specifically Japan. There aren't really many christians in Japan. It's like when a "ninja" appears in GI Joe and his "religious beliefs" are actually a shallow mish-mash of various eastern religions, usually getting things blatantly wrong. Now the shoe is on the other foot, the tables are turned; they wanted to seem "exotic". Now as I was saying, now that WE are in a recession and everyone is depressed and anxious, the characters are more relevant than ever, and...." "EVA IS A RELIGIOUS SHOW!" "No, it isn't" "PEOPLE WATCH IT FOR THE RELIGIOUS REFERENCES!" "No. I didn't. People I know didn't. Maybe the people you personally interact with do, but that's only a small group of people and hardly "everyone". I and those I know watched it because it was a psychological deconstruction of "Giant Robot"" "No it's not! It's the classic Giant Robot anime!" "No, when it came out it was actually iconoclastic; as the review itself says, it reinvented a genre. It's not the shows fault that it became so popular that everyone ripped it off for a decade, until it became the new cliche. Shinji being angsty was actually quite innovative for its time. Why, look at episode 2 - he's not a "NewType", he's not instantly good at this, he even falls flat on his face! They're making fun of other Giant Robot anime" "...uh...uh...I DON"T UNDERSTAND!" "Free your mind, Neo. Free your mind..." |
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Hentai_JP
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"Awkward sentence of the month" award goes to Theron! I am positive the above phrase in italic was intentional, but you still contradict yourself in the very same sentence. Thought I'd point that out as I find it pretty funny. |
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