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Toucanbird
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I actually disagree with you in that regard. I've watched some rape scenes in hentai, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to go out and do it. I believe paraphilia only occurs in people who are not mentally stable to begin with. I have to believe there are quite a few people out there just like me that watch hentai (I'll admit, even I watch a lot of hentai) but it doesn't affect them. I'll watch hentai and I don't want to rape little girls or even engage in bondage activities (doesn't even remotely turn me on). Even so, it's not like I watch hentai of rape...I prefer more "love story" hentai than rape hentai. ...and kids shouldn't even be exposed to hentai. It's really no different from porn. You'd think people with paraphilia will react more strongly to porn than hentai. The difference is, porn is real and you see that actually happening. For the most part, I just disagree with you in general because I think sensoring does more harm than good. The reason why I say that can even be referenced by the drug movement. You see a ban on marijuana in the U.S., but due to the ban, it's more popular than ever. Or you can even go back to the days of prohibition. Even though alcohol was banned, it became even more popular. If you censor something, it just makes people want to see it even more and will go to any means to see what is being censored. What's really sad about this "savage" theory is hentai is still fairly popular in Japan, yet, they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world (and for the most parts, the crimes are actually suicides). The problem is with culture and maturation. Where this stuff doesn't affect Japanese youth all that much due to proper parenting and exposure, when it comes to this being exposed in America, it does cause problems because for some reason, American youth like to mimic what's in the media rather than think for themselves. ...although, I'm pretty sure you guys have heard this argument before, so I'll try and pass on it unless you want to go into more detail about it. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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I've come to a conclusion about people who express their dislike for something while stating some opinion about other people
(ie "If you like to watch that shit all it proves..." or "the problem that garbage poses is that..."): They sound so ignorant that I just tune them out from possibly offering any sort of credibility to their argument whatsoever. Stating once your own disapproval for it is fine, that's your choice, doing it excessively within opinions of others only draws attention to your own closeted inclinations that never endure the denial process. [edited to hopefully clarify it a little better] Last edited by P€|\||§_|\/|ast@ on Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:25 am; edited 2 times in total |
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ShinobiX
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@Toucanbird
um never said censoring was bad. Your confusing the words correlation, cause, relationship, becoming, influence. Yes these words are related to each other but they are not the same. I pointed that out already. What I said is that watching something repeatedly influences your behavior. I never said watching rape will cause you to rape someone. Although it can give you thought of wanting to rape someone. Then it will become the root cause. Whatever I'm getting confused now. If you don't get what I'm saying then its my fault for not explaining the difference between correlation and cause properly. Child pornography is not your everyday porn. @Ausdoerrt Seriously dude you need to shut up lol. Smileys? Anyway. Comparing murder, wwe, and vulgar jokes to rape doesn't cut it. They're different and no don't argue with me over this. Ridiculous. Nice try though. Come up with something better. I assume you watch hentai btw. Also you subtly said what I said. TV influences your behavior, thoughts.... You said the same exact thing. All I said, " you become what you practice" Ok moving on. We are only talking about little girls getting raped here. If that's how you get your kicks do what you do. Anyone would tell you thats wrong moron. Who are you rolling your eyes at? Lastly can't really argue against you because you went on a rant that goes beyond hentai/ anime porn. Plus you agreed with what I mostly said. Oh and you said nothing wrong with people who like violence. Ok. lol wow. Heh I like violence too, but is that good? No. Something tells me what I wrote affects you deeply. Suck it up. Many people are fucked up in the head and still have a peaceful life. Feel free to respond, but I got nothing further to say to you as I'll state again we are only talking about hentai. You're talking about everything else so there is really not much for me to say. |
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abunai
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And that's that. Yet another thread turned into people calling others "moron" and telling each other to "shut up".
Now, we've been patient with this thread, despite the fact that it has been full of errors, misconceptions, bias and just plain bull manure from the start. But we have to draw the line somewhere, and we draw it at personal insults. Also, we tell you when to shut up. That's what moderators are for. You don't get to make that call. So... one last chance: play nice or the thread gets locked and people get sent to the padded room with the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door. And yes, ShinobiX, you will be at the head of the queue. - abunai |
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ShinobiX
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lol ok. Anyway whatever. No you really can't name call? Whats up with that? I know its a rule but from what I remember it happens all the time or its done subtly.
Oh and your right I did help it turn into mush lol. well whatever I'm bored |
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abunai
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You know it's a rule. Don't break it, then.
"I'm bored" doesn't cut it as an explanation for poor behaviour. I suggest that you find other activities to occupy yourself with, since this bores you so much. - abunai |
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ShinobiX
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Fair enough I guess. Ok I wont start shit for no reason then. hmm thts new for me though.
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Ausdoerrt
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Murder is better than rape? What about murder+rape? Who are you to decide? The "who are you to decide what's good for me" is sort of the core of my opinion here. As well as "who are you to kindly ask me to "shut up"" as a response to your less that courteous reply. So much for you "coming up with something better" for your own argument. I never said there's NO influence on your thoughts. Everything has an influence on thoughts and behaviour, but there's no reason to single out a group of influences because a group of people sees them as "wrong". Because then if you eliminate one, you might as well eliminate all. Eliminate all - eliminate thought and progress. That's how censorship works. And yes, there's nothing wrong with people who like violence as long as they don't let it influence their actions in public. As far as I'm aware, mentally stable people don't, so there's no problem. Mentally unstable people need to be helped regardless. |
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egoist
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So, it's alright to beat down their wives within their sweet love nest? I know that's not what you meant, which brings me to the real reason for posting:
No, they can deal with it themselves, otherwise they'll be unstable forever. But, let's not forget that being jailed and getting help are different things. |
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ShinobiX
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@Ausdoerrt
Nicest I can say it: First learn to argue. Rule one if you argue, at least talk about the topic. You didn't even mention the word hentai once and you just attacked a part of my argument with external variables (nothing to do with hentai). My fault for even responding to your gibberish. I'm not illiterate. Kinda of hard to argue with someone who doesn't mention the topic. It's like your asking me to add numbers when there is only subtraction on the math test. Your influence part. Define subtly for me please. Read. Ok this is garbage since I already turn it to mush by mentioning the word rape. Guess paraphilia and rape too similar. Easily confused. Heck even I got lost for a sec. So lets turn back time before you butted in. I said Watching hentai influences your behavior thats it. I said hentai does not make you commit rape nor does it cause paraphilia. WTF are you saying only God knows. What is the topic? Does hentai cause paraphila? Period. At least answer the question before attacking me. Lets get one thing straight. I told you to shut up. Then the moderator told me to shut up. Hmm you know I should listen to his advice lol After all if this is all garbage why even post this lol. Ok I tried so if he responds not my prob. Instigator he is. Yeah Anyway the question: Does hentai cause paraphilia? I said no. What do you guys think? |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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I'd really like to be able to answer that question, but I'm no psychology expert. If just talking about hentai in general, I think visual/virtual gratification of sexual pleasures can ease the tension and demand for it when it's hard to come by IRL. Who watches hentai more? Sexually active men who have no problem hooking up, or men awkward around females that do have trouble with that. I think the type of hentai people are interested in closely match the type of real life encounters they would like to engage in. And I think it is an exaggeration to say that people would be influenced by or gravitate toward a type of behavior that they expose themselves through media. I'd say the interest and inclinations are already there ("wired in" maybe) before wanting to view them as entertainment. Take me for example. I have a strong interest in hentai pertaining to characters that act and look like the opposite sex. But long before realizing this type of hentai existed, I've always been attracted to effeminate men and and very boyish tomboys. I almost completely lack interest in most straight hentai and the usual M+F interactions. I'm not interested in it IRL and it doesn't peak my interest in visual art and media. |
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Ausdoerrt
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Most of the time people with a real mental condition (as opposed to a simple preoccupation etc.) can't deal with it themselves and need the help of an expert. That said, I'm not an expert. @ShinobiX:
No U. And learn to read. If you read my post, you'd understand that my opinion extends beyond the specific example, because the critique at hand is the same shit that we've seen before with other "objectionable things". Nothing I've posted thus far is irrelevant to the argument. I'm not about to spell everything out to you if you don't understand the meaning of "analogy", so rather than being rude, maybe think before you post. |
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ShinobiX
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You know you are proving my point. You're going beyond. You are not suppose to. It's not fair if I am only allowed to talk about one thing and you bend the rules and talk about everything else. Your competitive and this is not a competition so I don't see why you feel the need to control the discourse everywhere you go.
And please stop quoting part of what people say in order to strengthen your argument and mislead people. You're not proving anything. Either argue properly and fairly or don't do it at all. Furthermore I am right. Answer the question, post your opinion, move on. The topic is hentai and pariphilia. Still did not mention those two words once. Furthermore, since I'm not bored right now and thinking clearly, in the real world if you want to be taken seriously, use serious examples that have weight. You don't use bias extremes and certainly you never use racist terms. The fact that you even used one shows you're not thinking clearly. It also hurts you by demonstrating the fact you can't express yourself articulately. Only say this because obviously whatever I said offended you and I assume you want to be taken seriously. Anyway, as I stated earlier, Pulp Fiction, Family guy, comedy central... whatever is not the same as rape, torture, mutilation. Therefore, to use that as the basis for your argument doesn't suffice. Apples are not oranges. Red is not blue. The effects of watching rape are not the same as the effects of watching comedy central. Also if your going to attack someone stop with the smileys. That just arrogant and mockery. |
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abunai
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Locked for flaming.
Also, you both flame like little girls in polka-dot dresses and with ribbons in their hair. "Learn to read" is so damn weak, it's unbelievable. Anyway, locked. - abunai |
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