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Almaz
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You are right. I went over to Wiki and read up on it. I never watched the version on Crunchyroll so I did not know. I guess since it is taking to September-October to release due to Bandai putting out the DVD? Bandai has been having problems getting titles to hit their release date already. Many of the titles on Crunchyroll would probably be released with a sub only format with the state of the anime sales. Funimation and Viz are the only ones with cash cows to help subsidize dubbing non-profit series. |
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garfield15
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This. I agree with this. |
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LordRedhand
 Posts: 1472 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Indiana |
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Which if everything is working properly is how it's supposed to work, the courts decide exactly what limits there are. This shortening of copyright needs to be approached legally if it is going to be listened to, instead of circumventing the system. Right now however that is the law that is in place, so you deal with that one, not the law you wished it to be. So if your in the U.S. try writing your federal representatives and senators to change the law. @tanteikingdommonkey taking a quick look at their website they have offices in Tokyo and L.A. so by default they fall under both jurisdictions of copyright laws. If they formed as a U.S. company they would have to follow U.S. laws in terms of copy right and vice versa. Because both Japan and the U.S. are under the Berne Convention the standards for their enforcement would be similar. For the U.S. that means that it is copyrighted the instant pen leave page, so as an example if I write a haiku on my Hardee's napkin, it is copyrighted although to file suit I need to register it. Changing of anime series comes from either the license itself or the local standards of where you are releasing (For example the Soul Calibur released in Korea is different from the one released to the rest of the world, logically a Soul Calibur anime series would face the same issues.) As you do have to meet the standards and practices of where you are releasing as well. |
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agila61
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My point there is that the shortening of the copyright argument is bogus because we are not talking about the urge of all the fansubbers to sub Astro Boy and Senin Buraku ... all of the fansubs that the leech streaming sites rely on for their advertising revenue is anime produced within the past twenty years, and well over 90%+ of their views will be on anime produced within the past five. The fact that the thoroughly corrupted US political system has allowed Disney to keep extending copyright limits to avoid Mickey Mouse falling into the public domain is a total red herring for creative content that is under copyright in Berne Convention countries. The minimum copyright on cinematography under the Berne convention is 50 years after first release, for photography 25 years, and for other copyrighted works 50 years after the death of the author. That's also why the "why should US rules apply" argument is bogus ... there are well established international agreements that govern the respect of copyright. Since, eg, Romania and Japan are both signatories to the Berne convention, then in return for Japan respecting the copyright on creative works from Romania, Romania respects the copyright on creative words from Japan. Its a multi-lateral agreement. Most countries are signatories ... according to Wikipedia, not Afghanistan, Angola*, Burundi*, Cambodia*, North Korea, Democratic Republic of the Congo (Congo-Kinsasha), Ethopia, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Kiribati*, Kuwait, Laos, Maldives*, Mozambique*, Myanmar* (Burma), Nauru, Palau, PNG*, San Marino, Sao Tome e Principe, Seychelles, Sierre Leone*, Solomon Islands*, Somalia, Taiwan*, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda*, Vanuatu (while still above water). And even in that list, the ones that are marked "*" are signatories to TRIPS, the WTO annex on IP, so the same minimum 50 years for cinematography applies. |
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The King of Harts
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No, this dub is on the R4 and I believe the R2 (UK) discs. This is just the first time it's been used in the R1. |
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agila61
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Thanks for that. Madman lists their release as R2 & R4, so I am assuming they have the Bang Zoom dub rather than the AVD one? Last edited by agila61 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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CG-LOVER
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I still don't think he even answered the question at all. I mean he did say that he doesn't want these new sites to operate illegally. However he failed to tell us whether or not he felt he was somewhat responsible for their actions, which is ultimately what the question asked. And listening to how Zac responded to his final answer I think he realized this as well, however I guess he didn't want to make the conversation too uncomfortable by pushing the issue further. |
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v1cious
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I'm guessing you never went to The original Crunchyroll. Before the network deals, Crunchyroll was a full-on illegal operation. we're not talking some click-and-watch site here, they were actually charging monthly fees to watch fansubs that they stole from other groups. there was nothing honorable about its at all. This is why so many people have personal issues with this company. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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The R2UK discs haven't been released yet. We've been waiting rather a long time for them too. |
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qollocust
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I'm excited to hear that CR is working on streaming through game consoles a la Netflix, I just hope they include the Wii in that initiative. I now watch most of my movies and tv through Netflix on the Wii and it's really frustrating to not be able to do something like that with anime. I would watch so much more stuff if I could stream it to my TV rather than my computer.
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garfield15
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Just adding to this, they were charging monthly fees for high quality. You could still watch the stuff, just in SD. Not justifying it. Just saying. |
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LordRedhand
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Agila61 you have to follow the laws of the country you operate in, that's pretty basic. Thus following U.S. and Japanese copyright in Crunchyroll's case makes sense, that is where they say they are, physically.
But yes even by the Berne Convention Standards what is being done by illegal distribution is still wrong, however any debate on shortening or changing copyright law is going to be in the U.S. legislative and judicial branches. So in that part we can agree at least. |
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agila61
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... who had stolen the material themselves ...
Yes, if they had never gone to Japan and had never told the Japanese that it was the rights owner's decision whether the site shut down or started legit streaming ... they would have shut down by now, since they never made enough money to cover their hosting costs. But as long as they continued to operate as a bootleg hosting site, they were being a scumbag bootleg anime hosting site. They of course can't do any more than they did, so people who are not satisfied that they did go to Japan and put the decision in the hands of the rights owners ... want what, exactly? |
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Almaz
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I believe my no "honor among thieves" comment applies. I know what Crunchyroll did. Truth be known. It is no different from one recording said shows and uploading them. Nor is it different from putting subtitles on the shows and uploading them. IMOHO , making a profit of it does change the situation from fandom to piracy , the Japanese legitimized the operation by what they did. I would have shut the site down and start another site to at least burn that bridge. Get the people to set it up and call it fill in the blank. Whatever. It is funny that until Americanism came to Japan; Japan had a really loose rules on their rules regarding I.P. Unless the material is outright plagiarism, people could do things like create doujin and video games. The Japanese thought of it as fan based advertising, and a way to keep certain franchises fresh in people mind. Now, everyone is having a #$%$ fit over this and wanting to drain the blood out of the customers. Believe me, American companies WANT you to pay for every copy of shows, music, etc. much like it is on cell phones already. Have a DVD of x show. You will have to pay for the same show to be put on your Iphone. Things like record shows off of TV and ripping CD are being tried to be removed. Things are getting out of control on the Internet. Both sides are now moving to anarchy as fast as it can. I do not like what is coming around the corner. I do know I am not going to buy something blind. If I like a show on TV, I am likely to get something concerning the show be it DVD, music, games, etc. The Japanese do need to get more visibility. Between Crunchyroll, Funimation, and Hulu, that is happening now. However, it is not going to save the world. I do not know about the anime industry, but things die off people. Companies, countries, people, etc. do fade away. Getting ticked over it and crapping on a company that the Japanese companies ordained is not helping the issue. Move on. You can still not support Crunchyroll, but it is the first move in the right direction even if it is an illegitimate birth. |
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bayoab
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This isn't true. Japanese copyright was always more restrictive, especially toward digital works. Doujins and all of those have always existed under their own set of rules and continue to do so. |
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