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NEWS: U.N. Rapporteur Suggests Japanese Ban on Manga With 'Extreme Child Porn'

@Shippoyasha

So pedophilia is just a kink now?

manapear wrote:

And why do people want any kind child pornography, 2D or otherwise, to be the cure for pedophilia? How about we use therapy or treatments that don't involve that; isn't using it counter-productive?

Especially when speaking of actual child pornography or borderline child porn (like junior idols or near nude photos), it is very counter productive because the production of that material in and of itself victimizes children. Reading through the last few pages of comments I really wonder why Japan (and to some extent other countries in Asia) have such a tendency to sexual underage girls.

Wether it's 2D or otherwise, the fact that entire industries do exist to cater to the demand of those that are sexually attracted to children is pretty disconcerting. The glaring point a lot of discussion is missing out on here is that it is not at all normal for an adult to be sexually attracted to a child; that it is, in fact a mental disorder. I'd think treatment and therapy is a far more rational option over selling pedophiles borderline child pornography.

I think you're missing the point here. Not everyone that is into loli material and hentai finds real children attractive (Because real kids are honestly nothing like the way anime moe type characters are portrayed). I like loli characters and doujins involving them. I do not find real children attractive at all and don't consider myself anything close to a pedophile. If you want to try saying I have some mental disorder for liking works of fiction that don't harm anyone or myself (I'm a functioning member of society with a job and college degree) then you really need to re-think what you're arguing about here.

I don't claim to know much about the idol industry but what exactly makes you perceive these idols as sexualized? To me it's always seemed to be more about the 'cute' factor. I don't know about you, but IMO just wearing skirts and dancing does not equate to 'sexualizing' so I'm curious what exactly you mean by that. Now, if they acted like typical American pop stars like Miley Cyrus (performing near nude and twerking on stage), I would see where you're coming from, but with my limited knowledge, I don't see what the big deal is.

For the record, the only idol group I sort of know is Babymetal (and the only reason I know them is because they collaborated with the famous English power metal band Dragonforce on Road of Resistance). From what I've seen, they don't seem to be inappropriately portrayed or marketed in any way. If you have any counter examples, feel free to drop a few names.

I think you're missing the point here. Not everyone that is into loli material and hentai finds real children attractive (Because real kids are honestly nothing like the way anime moe type characters are portrayed).

LOL. Did any of you who claim that the junior idol industry does not sexualize its models actually see any magazine with junior idols in it? I bet you'd be perfectly happy for your daughter or little sister to become a junior idol! And you'd be equally happy knowing that old men (not only though?) jack off to the photos of your loved one!
Junior idol is child abuse. Period.

Sounds to me like your problem is with the GRAVURE industry rather than pop idol industry. Sure the two sometimes overlap, but that's huge generalization. No point in condemning the whole scene.

Also, why should we care what some dude fantasizes about in the comfort of his home as long as no one's getting hurt? I agree that showing real life young kids in skimpy outfits and suggestive poses is morally pretty messed up, but I think it should be the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids what is appropriate for their age. In Japan, the age of consent is 13, so they're more open about exploring adolescent sexuality.

Angel Investor wrote:

Sounds to me like your problem is with the GRAVURE industry rather than pop idol industry. Sure the two sometimes overlap, but that's huge generalization. No point in condemning the whole scene. Also, why should we care what some dude fantasizes about in the comfort of his home as long as no one's getting hurt? I agree that showing real life young kids in skimpy outfits and suggestive poses is morally pretty messed up, but I think it should be the responsibility of the parents to teach their kids what is appropriate for their age. In Japan, the age of consent is 13, so they're more open about exploring adolescent sexuality.

You're still confused. The junior idol industry does have gravure photo shoots; and many of those girls go into gravure industry and AV work. There's a difference between the general pop stuff like AKB and what goes on in the junior idol industry and why some of us are saying it's inappropriate.

Not even going to touch the rest of that.

manapear wrote:


This. And using reference is a thing for a reason. I think that people don't want to feel that real children may be used for art reference; but if these people are comfortable drawing porn (soft or hard) with children, why wouldn't they be comfortable using real, sexualized children as a reference? That isn't even a huge leap.

Which is all irrelevant if nothing suggest a H-manga was indeed traced.

I believe Japan should do whatever they want and westerners should not try to force their beliefs on their culture. Don't like it, look the other way. There's countries doing far worse shit that you should be worried about, instead of worrying about imaginary drawings.