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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:14 pm Reply with quote
First I would like to say it is the library's problem and no one else's. It is also one thing to wander into an adult section and start reading, and an entirely other thing to allow a kid to check one out.


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Shuichi



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:17 pm Reply with quote
I think it's the parent's fault.
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Teriyaki Terrier



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:17 pm Reply with quote
Better Battle Vixens than Futari Ecchi, despite the fact I doubt the kid would actually understand the manga.

Parents these days are becoming far too lax themselves and expect everyone else to monitor their own kids. Though I am surprized the library even had Battle Vixens, due to the mature content though.
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suna_suna



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:24 pm Reply with quote
while it does matter whose fault it is, someone out there is going to see this as "an evil item placed out there to corrupt the virgin minds of my children"
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SharinganEye



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:28 pm Reply with quote
So... is he complaining about kids checking out "adult books" too? Even the shelves of generic fantasy has some sexual scenes nestled away in it. Let's regulate those too?
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daedelus



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:30 pm Reply with quote
Even though it is a public library, they should restrict access to the adult section. Or else, why have an "adult" section at all? That library may suddenly see a surge of horny kids in said section now that it is public knowledge they won't be stopped.
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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:31 pm Reply with quote
I've always said that if you're on one side of an issue and librarians are on the other side, you're wrong.
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mulrich



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:31 pm Reply with quote
This is one of the things about America that pisses me off. So [expletive] what if he's borrowed those manga? If he wants to read them, let him read them. The USA is a "free" country after all, isn't it?

Suing the library because his son borrowed a book? Oh please. Around these parts, we don't age rate books, and age ratings on games and videos are guidelines, they're not actual, what shall I call it, prohibitions.

Loosen up, America. Please. You can't even take a damn picture of your own children anymore without being accused of child abuse and paedophilia!
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britannicamoore



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:32 pm Reply with quote
I don't know who's fault this is. I want to blame the library for not watching the kids for getting into the adult section, and for letting the kid check out the book...

But at the same time, I think the dad should have been there when the kid even checked out the book.

I guess I should be happy they even had the book in the right place, but it's kind of annoying the dad is even looking to sue the library.
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kokuryu



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:32 pm Reply with quote
Yep, Fahrenheit 451 all over again - or even the start of what mushroomed into the Library Corps storyline - the censorship of what one can read. If I had been censored in what I could read, I am sure that I would never have been able to read any of the classics - I am sure all of those would have been labeled as "mature", and would have only been able to read "safe" stuff - that would have been boring - I would never have read anything else again.

Yet once again, the violence to the mind is being hammered in by people who do not even think about how they grew up and what shaped them. Instead they want mindless automatons - great for killing machines, but they do not fit into society too well. It is time for people to wake up and get a clue about reality.

Censorship has to stop.
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aluria



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:43 pm Reply with quote
Bravo father, bravo. It's not the library's job to watch over and grade your child on what they wish to borrow. After all, how is the librarian supposed to know what the parents allow and what they don't? Remember also, that some kids read at a high level for their age. I remember I was quite a few years ahead back then.

I'm not saying the boy should be able to read those manga, it would depend on his maturity but the father is definitely blowing this out of proportion.
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Raoh



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:52 pm Reply with quote
Why are parents idiots?

They think that whenever their child does something wrong, they can immediately blame someone else, aside from their own bad parenting habits.

Take responsibility for your own mistakes. It's not the libraries fault. You're the one that didn't moniter your child's activitities properly.

I laugh at the idea that this man thinks he can somehow sue the library.

God, whenever something stupid like this happens in Oregon, it shames me to be from the state.
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Faceman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:53 pm Reply with quote
The American Library Association's Library Bill of Rights actually includes causes to prevent denying access to library materials, including on basis of age: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/statementspols/statementsif/interpretations/freeaccesslibraries.cfm

Now granted, libraries don't carry copies of Playboy to give to 10 year olds, but just because something has nudity in it doesn't make it pornographic or obscene. Should children be prevented from seeing Leonardo's "David", or Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus" just because it has nudity in it?

I'm not saying that Ikki Tousen is a work of art comparable to The Birth of Venus, but the same situation is there as far as nudity goes. It's up to the individual to decide what they think is obscene or acceptable, not up to libraries and institutions to decide and enforce it upon everyone else. And since the individual in question is of a minor age, then it falls upon his legal guardians (as in, the parents) to decide for him.

Seriously, why doesn't the father just accept responsibility? If people were more willing to step up for their faults and mistakes, instead of blaming it on whomever and whatever they can, the world would be a better place.

Edit: I also looked up the Multnomah County Library's website and it states in their Mission and philosophy statement ( http://www.multcolib.org/about/mcl-mssn.html ):
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We will neither deny nor abridge a person's right to use a library because of his/her age, economic levels, beliefs, race, personal or physical characteristics.

So it's even moreso the father's fault that he wasn't aware of the library's already stated policy on age restrictions.


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prime_pm



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:59 pm Reply with quote
As you can blatantly see, there isn't much going on in Oregon.

Joking aside, my library is pretty lenient on material. Mangas are generally located in the young adult's section, and the material there ranges from DBZ to Akira (full set, no shit!). As for the more mature mangas and graphic novels, eg. Suzuka, Confidential Confessions, Lupin, and pretty much Alan Moore, we keep in the Humanities Department on the third floor. And we have the Children's Department that has their own share of graphic novels and category systems.

None of these sections have Battle Vixens, though. Frankly, all we have in Sights and Sounds is Princess Nine and Princess Mononoke.

Good quote, by the way, Faceman. Enoch Pratt pretty much said the same thing.


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Labbes



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Oh, America, the country where Uncle Tom's Cabin was on index because it included the word "[slur]" and was, thus, racist.

Anyhow, I would like to know something, because I only know how it is in Germany. Is this "Adult Section" under different legislation than normal books? I mean, you can buy books with pornographic texts as long as they don't have pictures in them at the age of 10 if you want to.
I don't think the library is the one responsible here, so sueing (sp?) them is rather laughable, but still, this is from a German point of view.
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