Forum - View topicChicks on Anime [2008-09-09]
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Scalfin
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You know, I find it very creepy that some people think that underage girls have any sexuality in any state of dress, even minimal. I would therefor propose that the women on the panel are, in fact, perverts. For a counterexample, look at the little girl in the silent movie Chang. She didn't have a shirt on, but nobody saw any problem with bringing little kids to see it.
I bet each of them has at least one picture of a puppy with no clothes of. For the protection aspect of moe, remember that it's hard to sympathize with an action girl,as she can, and usually does, fight back, turning the kick the dog moment into the "holy shit, he took down a wolfhound" moment. On the other hand, the only time punting a puppy isn't heart wrenching is when it's hilarious. |
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ANN_Bamboo
ANN Contributor
Posts: 3904 Location: CO |
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So is there a term for the cute-little-girl-with-a-gun archetype? The not crazy, but trained as an assassin type? |
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Nayoko-Kihara
Posts: 13 Location: Earth |
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If I buy a pillow, or almost any piece of merchandise for that matter, with a character or a person I like on it, it's mostly going to be just so I can have it. Because I like that character, or that person. I'm not looking for comfort, I'm not looking for someone to lay with or do anything with. It's simply a fan thing for me. I get it, because I like it, and because I want it. If I could get a body pillow with Sailor Mercury on it? I'd be all over that, and I would use it both as a pillow and as a decoration on my bed. - This doesn't mean it might not provide comfort later, if I'm upset and need to take my feelings out somewhere, I might use it. But nothing sexual would ever come out of something like that for me; and that's mostly what I was upset about in the discussion. The way it was presented with no other option mentioned, as if owning a body pillow automatically means you must have some sexual desire for that character. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Moe has been highjacked by the lolicoms and used as a sheep's skin to hide their pervy fetishes under. The BBC did a program called Japanaroma last year, that touched on moe, but when the presenter and his Japanese co-presenter explained what moe was, the co-presenter pulled out a "lap" pillow, (one shaped like a girl's lap in the sitting position) where he then proceded to put his head on it right in the groin, and then a cap gen flashed up with MOE across the screen. I just gritted my teeth and said "Oh Bloody'ell! No it's NOT!!". I even sent an e-mail to the presenter to give him a ticking off, but I got no reply. He's a bit a tw@ anyway so I'm not surprised.
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Rednal
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@Sakechan: Not that I know of. It may well exist, but girls with guns is most often referred to as just that; it tends to describe the story-type as a whole rather than a specific character. Such stories are generally a blend of Shounen and Shoujo, but I don't know that they're really a sub-genre yet. There aren't very many that I know of; Battle Angel Alita is somewhere around there, and Gunslinger Girl is just what it sounds like... but there really aren't very many of them, and when there are, it's often just a humor point, with their attacks funny in the way smacking someone with a paper fan is.
@Scalfin: Well, that really depends on your definition of "Underaged". I personally find nothing at all wrong with a sixteen-year-old (underaged where I live) liking another sixteen-year-old. Despite their underage status. Considering how marriages are, actually, I give leeway of about ten years either way between the people in a relationship. A number of anime and manga fans are in their late teens, and while I don't condone any form of sexual activity with an eight-year-old in real life, I think there's no real problem with at least liking them, and being, say, a protective big-brother figure until they grow up some more. I mean, if you REALLY like them, then you should be okay with waiting for them to grow up. ^^ |
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Kimiko_0
Posts: 1796 Location: Leiden, NL, EU |
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Rednal - Aren't Bee Train's Noir, Madlax and El Cazador De La Bruja all in the girls-with-guns genre? They're pretty well-known I'd say. They're also quite serious.
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tankerboy
Posts: 81 Location: Chicago |
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Is Mikuru moe? I mean, in the reality of the story, she's not really helpless even though Haruhi thinks she is.
And though I haven't looked at in quite some time, I would think that Orihime from Bleach might fall into the same category. |
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elreicht
Posts: 39 Location: Manila, Philippines |
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Can't anyone just feel Moe for any character? Even if she's a living final weapon that can level entire cities if asked to(Saikano)?
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Kimiko_0
Posts: 1796 Location: Leiden, NL, EU |
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If Mikuru is moe, it's more likely because Haruhi dressed her up like that I think
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hentai4me
Posts: 1313 Location: England. Robin is so Cute! |
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Yes, I saw that. Johnathon Ross. Elreicht: That is one point I tried to make but people seemed to ignore, I made my example with Kurau. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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I didn't say they couldn't but whether actual intercourse is taking place or not, doesn't a romantic relationship have to be based on some manner of sexual interest or attraction? Isn't that what makes it romantic and sets it apart from close friendship? (I'm not sure what if any bearing this has on the topic at this point but I just wanted to clarify what I mean). |
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elreicht
Posts: 39 Location: Manila, Philippines |
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I totally identify with hentai4me's point. I mean why are we all here at all? We are, first and foremost, anime lovers. All of us have felt at some point that if we could just get inside the TV to give emotional or moral support to an anime character we would. Not because they're weak and helpless or because they're cute and innocent, but because we like them and in some cases love them as if they have already become a part of our lives. I believe that most of us have felt this "protective feeling" for characters that can very well protect themselves. I am aware that the term "moe" is being used as a marketing ploy by businessmen, but as Anime fans, should we limit "moe" to just an advertising trick? Everybody, even anime superheroes have their moments of weakness, and when that moment comes some fans feel the need to comfort and protect that character even if that particular has the power to turn a whole city into ashes. It doesn't even matter if the character is a butt-ugly middle-aged burly man, as long as you like him enogh to care about him..
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Tenchi
Posts: 4471 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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So I take it that Bamboo's overall opinion on Azumanga Daioh has ameliorated significantly in the five years since she wrote this:
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rti9
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Wow Tenchi. What a dig. From not funny to hilarious.
Also an unfortunate prediction:
Predicting success is already something extremely complicated, it becomes even trickier when the cultural barrier is involved. Azumanga today is the 19th most popular anime on ANN's ratings stats while Kodocha stands as 428. |
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ANN_Bamboo
ANN Contributor
Posts: 3904 Location: CO |
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My tastes have changed a lot over the years.
I used to looooooooooooooove Love Hina. So much so that the first print of the Love Hina vol. 1 DVDs had a quote from one of my reviews saying it was the funniest anime ever, or something. I can't stand that show anymore. Hell, sometimes my tastes will change mid-series. When I first watched the first couple of episodes of Rumbling Hearts (on fansub, sadly), I loathed it. But I really loved it when I watched it the second time around during the R1 release. |
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