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whiskeyii
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I know this post is meant to be inflammatory, but I'm gonna' use it as a springboard to remind everyone that video proof exists of Vic overpowering his female co-worker onto a hotel bed before she fled after a knock on the door. The jellybean incident is tangential to the much bigger issue of attempted sexual assault, and trying to downplay the whole thing as one joke and ignoring all the other stuff that happened and what Vic himself admitted to (like pulling a different coworker's hair) is disingenuous at best. Be careful out there, friends. |
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Shay Guy
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Friendly reminder that Mari Iijima has built a life of her own pretty much entirely apart from the anime industry, and the only reason her path crossed Mignogna's in the first place was because of the one time in the past 30 years that she's reprised the one anime character she's ever voiced. She has no obligation to involve herself in this whole ugly mess if she wants to stay out of it and focus on more productive things like her next music album.
Ah yes, because we all know women are never expected to smile in front of cameras. Really, I'm not seeing how any of this is supposed to help Mignogna get past the TCPA after "death by a thousand cuts" and everything else. |
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MarshalBanana
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Then there are YouTubers who seems to spend all their time making sensational videos about this "FUNIMATION EXPOSED" "Is This The END OF FUNIMATION?". There is a world of difference between, I believe Vic is innocent and Vic is innocent and we must take up arms to defeat his enemies. |
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Godaistudios
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Wait, what video proof exists of Vic doing these actions? He said/she said is not video proof. So far there is no corroborating or supporting evidence to back up the accusations, and frankly, many of the affidavits have had issues. That said, even if we go with and assume that Vic is guilty, many of the others involved and supporting the KV have issues that should also cause their removal. It's been clearly pointed out that Funi's own handbook states that certain actions/jokes, etc will not be tolerated, and the recordings in question violate the standards that they set forth. Even if Vic is guilty, it doesn't make them "not guilty". Even if you want to claim that they are being gone after because of what is being done to Vic doesn't make them not guilty of their actions. Even if you want to go after "whataboutism" doesn't mean that they didn't engage in actions that violated the company's rules and they should be held accountable for their own things. There is no question that the recordings contain material that are homophobic, sexual, etc in nature. As the saying goes, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." If Funi wants to have a set of standards, that's fine. But if that's the case, then it appears that it is time to clean house. |
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Ryuji-Dono
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And the other problem to what you're saying is that...FUNimation's recordings shouldn't be associated in the slightest with Vic's and that's it. |
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AntiKuro
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I make crude jokes all the time with people I am close to, like my husband and close friends. That doesn't give someone who I may be barely friends with to also make crude jokes with me. As a matter of fact I've had people in the past think it was okay to make jokes with me that are inappropriate because someone else has. It comes down to: I don't know you like that, and please back off. Just because they make crude jokes with one person doesn't give someone else the right to do so also. It's about comfort level. |
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penguintruth
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Eye witness accounts are unreliable ON THEIR OWN. A massive VOLUME of eye witness accounts, on the other hand... By the way, if you need video evidence of Vic holding up that day's newspaper with one hand and groping somebody with another, your standard of evidence is unrealistic. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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I'm saying that the issue regarding Vic is irrelevant. What is bad and what's worse is subjective (to a certain degree). Even if there is worse, what is "bad" doesn't no longer exist. And the end of the day, Funi set a standard and I'd rather they apply that standard equally. Justin's final answerman column addressed that there is a toxicity going around fandom. Attacking fandom has come from within, and that's been a major issue. Sabbat acknowledged a message he made about calling fans autistic, then falsely attributed it to the farms (time stamped proved this) and then deleted the tweet after being called out. Other people who have been influential to the cons, even people being given a voice by ANN have attacked fans. And that's really the thing, isn't it? Without fandom, there is no industry, there is no ANN. Nada, zip, zilch. Instead, those attacking fans wind up being defended. Fandom is eating itself from within and it's gotten uglier and uglier. Look at all the backbiting, even here on the forums. Voice actors go after people for questioning a narrative, staff at various publications act like they are gods, reviewers insert personal politics, outrage culture is everything, etc. Seeing everything that has been going on for awhile now is exhausting and has been detrimental to all of us. In my brief time in Japan (can't wait to go back), the behaviors that have been exhibited by so many here would not be tolerated there. That's not to say that issues don't happen there. But they are more controlled, statements are made, people move on. Because at the end of the day, this is a business. And when you attack the fans, you attack who is paying for your business to survive. If things continue as they have, everybody loses. |
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gloverrandal
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This is what happened for me... When I saw that happening on Twitter a few nights ago I knew that was not the side I ever wanted to be with and it could never be justified... |
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Ryuji-Dono
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What if it was just a minor part of it? You shouldn't let the actions of the minority affect what you do. |
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whiskeyii
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My mistake, I misread the statement in the deposition. I'd still argue, though, that while the Funi outtakes are in bad taste, bad jokes are in no way comparable to the actual physical assault Vic himself admitted to inflicting on one of his fellow attendees. So the point about trying to handwave away everything as a single jellybean joke being disingenuous still stands. |
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gloverrandal
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These were not random people, they were main people at the heart of this thing like those annoying lawyers and American industry voice actors. Monica Rial was one of the people I saw saying that people didn't know the two ex-wives who were abused and if people did know them they would understand. I don't need to understand anything to know domestic abuse is wrong. |
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ranran-001
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At the end of the day, the request for a restraining order against Ron Toye was dismissed. Hear that? Dismissed. End of. |
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Utsuro no Hako
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"Hearsay" is reporting what somebody else told you. That is not what Weaver did.
"No comment" is a long way from a repudiation of the claim.
She was an actor doing publicity. Even in America actors are expected to make nice and pretend they got along with everyone involved with a project. You can find interviews with Uma Thurman talking about how awesome Quentin Tarantino was on Kill Bill even though his incompetence nearly got her killed. And Japanese social conventions against badmouthing people are even stronger.
Weird. The reaction I saw on Twitter was, "Oh, sounds like Toye's an a-hole, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand." |
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Anthony.P
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Not to mention that, uh, there's no evidence of physical abuse. I mean, come on, it's one thing to call out Weaver's story, but surely we can do better than bad-faith whataboutism? |
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