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Sailor Sedna



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:37 pm Reply with quote
Damn, even Japan is cracking down on this? You could probably say Japanese broadcast I agree, the whole "objectifying" complaint makes no sense considering they've probably never seen any ecchi nor hentai that got released in the whole of the 80's/90's. If it's that bad in their eyes, then they should have released it as a hentai OVA or something.

Plus, what is this: "The discussion included viewers' concerns if children viewed Interspecies Reviewers."

Isn't there an R-18 rating in Japan? Children shouldn't be seeing stuff like this anyway (which makes me think they f*ked up by giving it a "shonen" demographic, I expected it to be seinen at least).
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:48 pm Reply with quote
Several boxes of tissues later: "This is, um, really terrible! And we hated it! ...yeah!"
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Horsefellow wrote:
Beatdigga wrote:
It’s Congress losing it over Night Trap...almost 30 years later.


Nobody in Congress actually played Night Trap though. At least the BPO will watch this. Maybe

MesousaGaby wrote:
Like, I'm one of those that loves the concept in this show, but really, I honestly wish the show would actually explore gay options, or made everyone pansexual, cause i just wish the show wasn't so cowardly with the idea of guys f**ing other guys, especially when they did a whole exposition scene in episode 3 that says "yes, male prostitues exist", and they go nowhere with it.


Why would they include that stuff in a fanservice show aimed at straight guys? That's like watching BL and complaining about the lack of yuri in it. That's not cowardly that's just demographics.


I feel like a better comparison would be like saying “Why have girl characters in an action show aimed toward boys?” The subject of the show has potential for a variety of topics that can attract viewers outside the norm but it decides to stay in its rut of “sexy show for straight boys”. That’s just so uninspired and boring.
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JaffaOrange



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:14 pm Reply with quote
Has this ethics board been tasked with also looking at how certain recent anime series have a positive depiction of slavery, of all things?
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Cain Highwind wrote:
I feel like a better comparison would be like saying “Why have girl characters in an action show aimed toward boys?” The subject of the show has potential for a variety of topics that can attract viewers outside the norm but it decides to stay in its rut of “sexy show for straight boys”. That’s just so uninspired and boring.


Then said action show with girls MUST have heavily muscled girls! Oh, that does not interest you, too bad, it does interest me and it should be done, otherwise it IS uninspired and boring!
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Another viewer found fault in the series' positive depiction of sex shops.
During the committee's discussion, one member was concerned about the show depicting sex work in a positive way.


WTF? Japanese people are THAT naive? lol


No, they aren't that naive. You can literally go to any SL bathouse for 8000Y-25000Y(osaka-saitama sized cities) 30-50000(tokyo and yokohama)depending on area, and you should have already done your research beforehand to know if they accept gaizen, generally gaizen have an additional fee esp if they don't speak JP.

Its to protect the girl and you from any misunderstanding -- IE boundaries or like limits etc... It's actually quite well regulated and very public. the websites everyone knows about, politicians and police included, every family knows which public bath in the neighborhood offers it etc..
Literally the anti-prostitution law exempted enjo kosai from various establishments on purpose.


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Can't we at least all agree that prostitution in the real world is an extremely dark place and not all fun and laughs? Yes, sex is fun and our society should be less uptight about it, but the horrible truth of our world is that there are more people suffering by working in this industry than having fun in it. Of course that's not true for the series' world, but I believe that it was the right choice of an authority like this to express concerns and deal with the matter.


The bigger problem in question is that approaching this show on the understanding of "Why is this showing that prostitution is fun and a joke?" is undermining a better approach of "Why are we keeping prostitution illegal?". It's not just that the show encourages people to be less prudish about sex... The show sets up a society where prostitution is not only legalized, but also has government oversight and (possibly) unionization; all while also showing a fairly humanist portrayal of employees in the trade.

The fact of the matter is, I agree that prostitution in the real world is dangerous and exploitative. But that's primarily because keeping it illegal shuts all the doors that would otherwise protect it's employees and clients, and opens all the ones that keep the trade high risk. Prostitution is always going to exist, but the more we keep it in the realm of trafficking, the less there is to prevent people from violently/illegally exploiting the trade for high financial benefit. At least, until they get caught. But by that point the damage is typically already done.

I don't really expect this goofy, lewd anime to really change the laws or the world. But, it's genuinely disappointing that people are using the discussion to shine a light on objectification or how evil prostitution is, rather than taking example from it for a discussion on how to improve the situations for those in it's trade.


Again what i previously wrote applies here as well, its not like the united states and using backpage.
IR mimics what is closer to what you find in Japan, Amsterdam, Germany, and a few other countries.
Akiba for example you'll find ones that have cosplay, GFE, and maid options as part of the initial fee. Some place put emphasis on the aesthetic, some even offer gentleman's services like a haircut. All of them you will be bathed and cleaned by the woman before you do anything -- except in osaka you will bath yourself before going to the tearooms (osaka only city to ban the bathhouses from the prositution exemption as well as streets and other things).
On most of the websites, you'll notice that along with an establishment code of conduct, girls have preferences as well Anal, foreplay, if they like foreigners, drinks. Some go as far as limits on size phallic and personal.
The Star symbol is used for if they do BB or not, and as a foreigner, unable to speak JP, expect your price to double if they do.
If you can hold a conversation and are attractive it won't cost you much more.
You should note though, any and all things are decided by the woman, not the man, and haggling or pressuring the worker in anyway is gonna get you banned pretty quick. Almost all the girls have similar if not better treatment in gov services from healthcare to even some retirement / transition work out of the industry once ready to leave. It's not nearly as dark or scary as the underground adult film industry there



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But why stop there? Let's them pass judgement on any anime that has ever had murder or any other felony happen! We all know piracy in the high seas is real in the 21st century and most despicable, how about reign in One Piece first and foremost?

TBT fiction is a form of entertainment and having it penalized just because you don't like that specific depiction of fiction does not make it a less despicable attitude.


So I want to point out, that I think everyone i misunderstanding BEG's role here, and the complaints as a whole. This isnt really about the ethical stance of is sex work immoral and evil -- hint no one cares about that.


The large issue is similar to what we are seeing in the states, and hinted at in an episode with panty sellers for "extra cash" calling themselves sex workers.
Anyone who has been on IG or Twitter in the states is bombarded with girls selling content, or to join an onlyfan's where they post a nude or two and try to continue selling content or interaction after the sub. They all now call themselves sex workers, but really its just charging for nudes. But since the scene is now "glorified and empowering" in addition to making them decent money. It has many college age and almost 18 high schoolers feeling like they don't need an education. Simp culture? I know we all have heard it. Men going broke to give money to a girl that only responds when they send money.

It is predatory on a lot of introverted guys in 2020...
This is the concern of BEG and the public in general. They have a huge problem with HS girls and younger uni girls waiting by train stations soliciting men for quick sex or panties or GFE's. They generally target younger salarymen, whom look single. They make a quick 10-20kY and a lot of girls do it for quick cash there. They are concerned of having an inescapable simp culture there, and due to the declining birth rate it's a huge issue with people not getting married.

They don't see the 16 yr old hooking up with a 23 yr old nearly as bad as we do, but it is still highly frowned upon if you don't take responsibility.
In Japan appearance is everything, families hide the fact that they have a 22 yr old daughter that's in SW, they do not want it normalized because it would affect parents salaries and also shame in the community. If women became more empowered in that sense to defy the social stigma of it all, because this show shows it as something normal and a great career choice, it would be unethical to them. It's also something the writer thought about you can tell when when writing the bartender and how she does her job, but never SW. Showing it as a more honest career choice.

The BEG likely due to it
1. being after midnight
2. all encouters are happening inside legitimized and safe brothels, that are purely consensual spoiler[(even the CNC)
as well as the awards and "union" of SWers]

That it does not make it appear to be in a "positive light" in the sense they are looking for here, but rather what it is, a trade as old as time and money can fulfill any fantasy. Even making fun of panty girls plays into the defense of the show.

Remember their fear is OF Japan style. A service without any real in depth interaction, that pushes a already shy population into hikkikomori because they are just paying for content or items. and no longer experience or interaction. They fear women being incredibly open without their faces barred out on the websites, and them advertising their service on their Line and other SMs

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Like, I'm one of those that loves the concept in this show, but really, I honestly wish the show would actually explore gay options, or made everyone pansexual, cause i just wish the show wasn't so cowardly with the idea of guys f**ing other guys, especially when they did a whole exposition scene in episode 3 that says "yes, male prostitues exist", and they go nowhere with it.


You already have interesex, gender swapping, but predeminately geared towards hetero men and bi/hetero women. As well as Crim is an intersex the entire time, and spoiler[does love the hyena]. As well as takes a step towards deconstructing the trap monologue ever present(but hidden) from the norm, for what US people feel about incest porn (being the #1 looked up genre in US.), Japan normalized Siscon literally ages ago, beyond just stepsisters you feel?
Traps/Intersex/Trans is the hidden pleasure for the community, and has been for about 5-10 years, but generally they like femme dominant intersex girls.

Might I suggest Bokura no Hentai to read, it is a good Yaoi that has a lot to do with BL, Pansexual and TG issues, that would make 1. a great deconstruction of the genre explaining the subtext and culture of what you are looking for in Japan. As well as the erotica that you seem to want this show to turn into. Maybe lead a movement for your
chosen genre to get it made into a show.

Remember Anime has been around a long time, it was something some of us found last year, 5 years ago, or in my Case 20 years ago. This is a Big Tent, not something that should be conforming to any one preference to make it acceptable for western ideals, and it is the last vanguard for truly free expression of creativity not defined by morality or PC culture.
It's beautiful that anime has something for everyone and no one has to watch something they are uncomfortable with. I love that my community and the anime culture literally has something for EVERYONE regardless of politics, creed, religion, and television preference. You can find something that every single person will enjoy given the chance.



Sorry for the rant. I just felt the article did not explain a lot, nor the comments seem to really understand the industry as well. For me, this show is one of the best steps forward for 1. Consent, 2. that women don't have to be shy and pretend they don't want to have sex to not be called a slut by their crushes 3. Slowly is deconstructing and breaking down decades long barriers in gender issues, and normalizes intersex and lGBTQ issues in a fun easy way for very stubborn and shy people to feel good about. I think this show if allowed to continue, the way it is, will really help some of the more current niche markets of ecchi, bl, yuri, and other non-hetero manga's become more mainstream, and help the older and younger anime generations with tolerance and acceptance, without them realizing it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:40 pm Reply with quote
I hope it gets their seal of approval like Goblin Slayer.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:43 pm Reply with quote
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depicting sex work in a positive way

Yeah sex can't ever be a positive thing~
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Keep go with that route of extinction Japan~

Wow, that's quite a leap. Do you understand that there's a difference between sex work and sexual relations between people in a relationship? And that sex work ideally does not involve the workers getting pregnant? Shocked


At any rate, actually watching the show is gonna set these people's hair on fire. Laughing
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mangamuscle wrote:
Cain Highwind wrote:
I feel like a better comparison would be like saying “Why have girl characters in an action show aimed toward boys?” The subject of the show has potential for a variety of topics that can attract viewers outside the norm but it decides to stay in its rut of “sexy show for straight boys”. That’s just so uninspired and boring.


Then said action show with girls MUST have heavily muscled girls! Oh, that does not interest you, too bad, it does interest me and it should be done, otherwise it IS uninspired and boring!

To be fair, the egg laying bit was kind of a big turn off in the same way as scat to be honest. I know others who were grossed out, too. If they are going to put that in, might as well have Crim taking it up the ass/mouth by an actual male sex worker. Pretty sure he wants to anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:54 pm Reply with quote
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So what if it "Objectifies" women ?!

Women these days wear little clothes in the street and clubs and some people worried about objectifying women in some fictional show that causes absolutely no harm to anyone


When was the last time you saw a man's junk full frontal on screen - without any censorship? If you cringed or looked away because you were uncomfortable you aren't allowed to take the attitude of "women wear skimpy clothing it's their own fault they're objectified." Because if you can't objectify a man on screen then it's not fair to do so to women.

Everywhere in the media women are constantly expected to look at other women's bodies on screen and not bat an eye. We're supposed to look at the boobs and the butts and everything else like, "It's no big deal," as the masses have deemed this "normal" behavior. But heaven forbid a guy's junk is there in all it's full functional glory for other guys in the audience to objectify - and ogle over - the same way the do about women's bodies.

Also...how about clothing designers out there quit making women's clothing so freaking tight and skimpy? Why don't guys look at girls in baggy pants and t-shirts like they do the girls who wear "little clothes in the street and clubs" the same way? How about stop thinking that objectifying everyone is all right. It's not. It's rude.

In the future, when both males and females are able observe/view their own gender's bodies on screen with a voyeuristic gaze, and do so without feeling uncomfortable about it at all, only then will we be able to declare that society has reached gender neutrality on this particular topic.

As far as Interspecies Reviewers goes, it's fanservice to the extreme. (The manga is much less intense.) I can see why many people would have issues with it when it's taken at face value alone. The show really only reveals its redeeming values once it's given a chance, and whoever does so has to have a very open mind going in if they aren't already a perv who's there for the panning shots. Overall Interspecies Reviewers does have some positive points, like the fact sex is consensual and that the girls are the one's milking the guys for all their worth...right down to every last cent in their money bags sometimes. I've also seen a lot of positive discussions about Crim's gender identity and how he's treated within the show. With everything rolled into one basket, both the good and bad, does it not mean that the anime still deserves the scrutiny it finds itself under? Yes, it definitely does need to be analyzed by concerned parents/adults. Especially when it's being scrutinized with the limited knowledge that it's main themes center around red light districts. The story itself is well written - especially given its lewd content. I'm glad I had an open mind when I first read the back cover of the manga and gave it a chance.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:18 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
Cain Highwind wrote:
I feel like a better comparison would be like saying “Why have girl characters in an action show aimed toward boys?” The subject of the show has potential for a variety of topics that can attract viewers outside the norm but it decides to stay in its rut of “sexy show for straight boys”. That’s just so uninspired and boring.


Then said action show with girls MUST have heavily muscled girls! Oh, that does not interest you, too bad, it does interest me and it should be done, otherwise it IS uninspired and boring!


That’s not really much of a counterpoint. You’re just being spiteful because all you got from my post was “RAWR SEX ANIME BAD!”
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I love it when people goes "Oh where was this in the 80s/90s animes which were a lot worse?". The 90s were 30 years ago buddy, society changes Rolling Eyes

I think the only mistake was broadcasting this, there was just no need. Nobody would be complaining if this was released on DVDs alone.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:56 pm Reply with quote
Cain Highwind wrote:
That’s not really much of a counterpoint. You’re just being spiteful because all you got from my post was “RAWR SEX ANIME BAD!”


Nope, the only take from your post is "I don't like this anime as it is, but if it were (insert personal tastes) then it would be great". It is fine if you do not like it, but demeaning an anime because it does not suit your personal tastes IS spiteful.
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Ok some points:

Prostitution is actually not illegal as a practice. It's just that most of the time ends up being that way because the very nature of the job is regarding people like objects and I sincerely hope that we can all see how this can be extremely bad.

Piracy in this days is nothing like One Piece or Pirates of the Carribean. It's more like Black Lagoon. The difference is that even though the heroes are cool, the series makes it clear that they are anti-heroes and they are cool because they are doing bad things - their actions are not normalized or beautified. Yes it is true that the media shies away from sexual content much more than it does with violent content, but imagine if Revy and her gang went arount happily murdering people because "it is totally normal and okay for people to be violent! Piracy, murder and theft should all be legal! It's fun, it's in our nature!" Yeah that is not happening, and if it happened, people would complain there too. (Oh and also Luffy and his gang aren't technically pirates because they do not pillage villages.) The point is, we can't compare the two this way.

The japanese authority did not sentence the series to anything, it's just examining it. They might deduce that everything is alright. Chill.

Women do not objectify themselves when they wear skimpy outifts, they just want to show off their sex appeal. Or the weather was just hot that day. Jesus Christ some of you should really re-evaluate your moral standards.
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mangamuscle wrote:
Kirki wrote:
but I believe that it was the right choice of an authority like this to express concerns and deal with the matter.


But why stop there? Let's them pass judgement on any anime that has ever had murder or any other felony happen! We all know piracy in the high seas is real in the 21st century and most despicable, how about reign in One Piece first and foremost?

TBT fiction is a form of entertainment and having it penalized just because you don't like that specific depiction of fiction does not make it a less despicable attitude.


ZING!

And there it is. Even people in this topic are trying to bring real world ethics into a saucy fantasy fanservice show.

No wondering Japan has a declining birthrate, if theres barely any sexuality in their media.
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