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nightjuan
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:27 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise.
On the other hand, I'm also betting on some sort of spin-off or side story, or at most a remake or alternative version of the story. It's not like Sunrise can't re-use the world, concepts and characters for something else, not necessarily for an "R3".
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:28 pm
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It's simple you guys. They either do another time-skip and call it Code Geass Zeta, or Cipher Geass (ala AU-type stuff, or Mai-Otome).
Sunrise has been doing this shit for years, it's nothing new.
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Aylinn
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:38 pm
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nightjuan wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise. |
Come on, we are talking about Sunrise here. Bringing dead characters to life is probably one of the most used cliché.
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CrystalFalls
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:39 pm
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nightjuan wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise. |
Actually, Animedia's article quoted Sunrise as saying "Lelouch died(?)" with a deliberate addition of a question mark, so even that's not confirmed.
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ChocoBar
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:59 pm
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CrystalFalls wrote: |
nightjuan wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise. |
Actually, Animedia's article quoted Sunrise as saying " Lelouch died(?)" with a deliberate addition of a question mark, so even that's not confirmed. |
Okay this isn't even up for discussion all articles from the staff have confirmed this plus the NT booklet along with the R2 complete guide has stated THAT LELOUCH IS DEAD there's no denying it plus it would make all the drama and the message in the ending such a waste if they revived him sort to speak. My only guess it being a prequel or even a sequel that takes place in a different setting with completely new characters. That said let's hope it's better than the trainwreck R2 turned out to be.
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CrystalFalls
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:07 pm
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ChocoBar wrote: |
CrystalFalls wrote: |
nightjuan wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise. |
Actually, Animedia's article quoted Sunrise as saying " Lelouch died(?)" with a deliberate addition of a question mark, so even that's not confirmed. |
Okay this isn't even up for discussion all articles from the staff have confirmed this plus the NT booklet along with the R2 complete guide has stated THAT LELOUCH IS DEAD there's no denying it |
It's up for discussion because Sunrise itself put a question mark (literally) on the issue. In Sunrise anime, just like in Marvel comics, death isn't always a terminal condition.
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cmd598
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:16 pm
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ChocoBar wrote: |
CrystalFalls wrote: |
nightjuan wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've been reading elsewhere...the "major character development" that was intentionally removed from the quote in the news article, to prevent spoilers for Code Geass R2, is Lelouch's death, so that's one more confirmation for those who still believe otherwise. |
Actually, Animedia's article quoted Sunrise as saying " Lelouch died(?)" with a deliberate addition of a question mark, so even that's not confirmed. |
Okay this isn't even up for discussion all articles from the staff have confirmed this plus the NT booklet along with the R2 complete guide has stated THAT LELOUCH IS DEAD there's no denying it plus it would make all the drama and the message in the ending such a waste if they revived him sort to speak. My only guess it being a prequel or even a sequel that takes place in a different setting with completely new characters. That said let's hope it's better than the trainwreck R2 turned out to be. |
Apparently you don't understand how third party information works. For example, there's dozens of rather detailed third party sources for UC Gundam, not a one of which is accepted as canon simply because they decided they liked the model kit technical information better instead. They could almost literally revive ANY dead character in Geass that they want thanks to the precedent set by R2, make some hamfisted excuse for it, and get away with it. Honestly, Lelouch still being alive would in fact be more believable than the revival of Marianne, which they already did.
Also, I believe there was a rumor about the Geass novels being contradicted (And thus being non-canon) by R2 as they portray Marianne a bit differently than R2. Any truth to that?
Here's hoping they make R2 the G-Saviour of Geass.
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wandering-dreamer
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:29 pm
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Maybe I'll just be a series of OVAs, that wouldn't be so bad, and I would love to have a little more about C.C.'s background, they still have plenty of geass realted loose ends to tie up.
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Splitter
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:29 pm
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Not a big surprise, but now the question becomes how much is Goro Taniguchi's dignity worth?
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zanarkand princess
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:50 pm
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Splitter wrote: | Not a big surprise, but now the question becomes how much is Goro Taniguchi's dignity worth? |
Well he did sign on for a sunrise cash cow
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BlackJaded
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:55 pm
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walw6pK4Alo wrote: | It's simple you guys. They either do another time-skip and call it Code Geass Zeta, or Cipher Geass (ala AU-type stuff, or Mai-Otome).
Sunrise has been doing this shit for years, it's nothing new. |
Hell at least could have gave us sequel to Mai Hime unless they same old ultra clique mess, it would have gone popular as it would been.
Still have a chance!
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nightjuan
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:58 pm
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CrystalFalls wrote: |
Actually, Animedia's article quoted Sunrise as saying "Lelouch died(?)" with a deliberate addition of a question mark, so even that's not confirmed. |
Thanks for the correction, if that is indeed the case. I will check it out to be certain.
However, I do think there is enough confirmation in interviews with the staff and official materials, so for me it is in fact confirmed until Sunrise decides to change it, if they ever do, and even then I would call it a retcon.
And you know...something like a remake or even a Code Geass movie adaptation wouldn't really contradict what happened, or would it?
cmd598 wrote: | They could almost literally revive ANY dead character in Geass that they want thanks to the precedent set by R2, make some hamfisted excuse for it, and get away with it. Honestly, Lelouch still being alive would in fact be more believable than the revival of Marianne, which they already did.
Also, I believe there was a rumor about the Geass novels being contradicted (And thus being non-canon) by R2 as they portray Marianne a bit differently than R2. Any truth to that? |
If you're going to talk about "precedents", those didn't begin with R2 or even with Sunrise shows in general. It's far more common in anime or in fiction than what your description implies. Doesn't mean they have to be used every single time, that's only one possibility.
Since you mentioned Marianne, the first season of Code Geass had hinted at something being fishy there, since normally the "dead" can't maintain telepathic conversations with the living, like she and C.C. did.
Regarding the other thing, the novels aren't really canon, not even the novels for the first season, but that doesn't have anything to do with the specific issues at hand.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:12 pm
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They're pulling a Hollywood!
They'll keep putting out more seasons until it has worn out its welcome.
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:14 pm
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Isn't it usually standard practice for a CLAMP show to only have two seasons at the most? Also, I haven't seen the series, but I have read that Lelouch gets killed for MASSIVE DAMAGE so unless they focus on the new Zero or whatever, again I'm going by what I read on Wikipedia, there cannot be a continuation.
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Oronae
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:14 pm
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You all of course realize that whether or not he had the code Lelouche would still have 'died'. That's how the code activates, you have to be killed once, like Charles was. So, whether or not Lelouche 'died' is not really up for question. Whether or not he's still alive is.
Also, though people constantly say that the staff have come out and given an opinion on the matter, I don't think I've ever seen any of them link to a source that resolves the matter non-ambiguously.
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