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Mohawk52
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CNN has been spewing gob shyte for years now, it's the reason I stopped watching it for international news years ago. That womens' rights spokesperson who said "games like this should not be in our society". Well luv it's not, it's in Japanese society and culturally they are fine with that, so get over it. As for Mr. Nogami; he's an hentai creator and writer, he would say that because his bread and butter is on the line. Also I find it amusing that a Buddhist is quoting from the Christian Bible, when Buddha was an athiest. Christ said "I won't judge you either, but go forth and sin no more", not "go forth and carry on as you like". To the devoted, perversion is a sin against the soul, and it is the soul that gets its reward one way, or the other. Generally speaking if you don't believe in that sort of thing then fine, but don't expect the devoted to like you for it any less until you repent and "sin no more". Perhaps Mr. Nogami would like to read Genesis 18 and 19th. chapters, and CNN could read Luke 6:37 too.
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musouka
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It's articulate, but not exactly well thought out, and reeks of propaganda-ish statements towards his country. I don't agree with CNN's article, and think the whole thing is a bit of a tempest in a teapot, but really, the best response to a "news" report like this is ignoring it. If we're not supposed to care about what happens in Japan, why should Japan care what we think about the more sordid games they have on the market? It's another country's news report, Nogami, who cares? |
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^^If not well thought out, then I suppose "passionate" would be a better description of his letter.
While I do think that the issue something trivial and should be ignored, I can not help but sympathize with Nogami's position. Most American's will not have the same understanding of Japanese culture as we do. As elitist as it might sound to some, it is true. The general public of the United States will take the word of CNN seriously and Nogami probably knows that. He should be offended as a public media outlet is injecting false stereotypes and labels of his country into the minds of one of it's closest allies. If something similar happened to the U.S., I can imagine some might as flustered as he. |
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Dernhelm
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again, i disagree. Christians including the Roman Catholic Church respect other religions. Christians believe it's okay to be part of any other religion, the Bible has stories acknowledging other religions and other religions doing better and charitable things in fact than those under the Lord (take "The Good Samaritan" for example). the Bible? the book revered by Christians is actually mostly about Jews, people of a religion considered different from that of Christianity. Christians are not trying to make a standard universal to every religion out there simply because like i said Christians respect other religions. yet, a Christian standard should be universal to every member of the Christian community, to every person under its Church, to every single individual baptized as a Christian. when you say "Christians think all people are sinners" this is only true among Christians; Muslims, Buddhists, athiests and agnostics don't have to think the same way too. "particularly people who are not Christian" that is not true, that's like singling someone out, sort of racist in fact, especially since a lot of Christians are more sinful than others. Christians reject racism. if that doesn't change the way you see Christians, i guess i have no choice but to respect your opinion, unfortunate as it may sound even though not every Christian see it that way including the Pope who honors other religions, just don't say that everyone believes that way. you shouldn't just generalize what you think is true to every single Christian out there, because it is a grave insult. maybe it's the extremist or radical religious groups who think that their religion reigns supreme over everything else is what you have in mind. the only problem i have with your opinion is that you should have used terms that were more morally or judgmentally neutral. because terms like "marriage" and "adultery" are not ambiguous enough to be considered something separate from Christian judgment and will only cause confusion and opposition (like what i am doing now) especially if you want to talk about it in a purely scientific, factual, and unbiased way. |
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TJR
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It's a horribly thought out letter, thanks to the abundance of logical fallacies (at least one in almost every paragraph). While there may be a lot of passion, the writer comes across as being very ignorant. Remaining silent would definitely be better, although I doubt it matters either way. |
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musouka
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This happens to the US all the time. Other countries love running news reports about how we're all fat, uneducated, and prone to shooting sprees. Yes, such things are annoying generalizations that don't take into respect the entire dynamics of our culture, but that's the problem with sensationalist news stories from any country. Plus, you know, those are issues we have. Perhaps not to the extent media likes to claim, but they're things our society is working on trying to combat. It would be stupid of me to write a letter extolling the virtues of "America, land of the free" in an attempt to ignore the rougher parts of our country. |
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CCSYueh
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Not to mention
Excuse me, that was almost too long ago to think about. Times change, dude. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's worse. I doubt it's the same. We run a drug group at my work for gals & one for guys & the guy who oversees the program won't go near the gal group because they have a totally different vibe if a guy's around. And I know for a fact a bunch of guys together can devolve into pretty vulgar places. Ok, gals can also. Issue being a bunch of guys or gals together just might say some negative things about the opposite sex Although this site is also less a news & more a weird places page you have to admit. I'd hate to think what foreigners could post on such a page about the US. Hells bells, we do it ourselves about different parts of the country. I've heard some of the jokes about Californias wearing sandals in 2 feet of snow. I don't think I've worn sandals in at least 5 yrs.
This is a blog, not exactly scientific. Why did the Turkish woman not take a cab? Get a car? Walk? Get a bike? Move over getting grouped on a train?
Here we go. Although it's 2 yrs old, I'll buy this. So what the trains need to do is pay some chicks to ride the trains who'll slap the guy or loudly call the guy out. God knows I would. It's the same idea behind busting the johns vs busting the prostitutes-embarrass the guys who view it as a safe thing to do. You cannot deny this exists not because of rapelay games but because the perpetrators perceive it as something they can get away with like stealing stolen goods from a criminal. It's not like they can call the cops. Of course you have to be careful not to go after the armed & dangerous ones, but I'm sure the same applies to gropers--one assumes certain gals are safer than others. Had this been met with firm opposition, it wouldn't have gone this far. Is this blaming the victims? Maybe. A gal's got to take care of herself as much as she can. We were closer to this in the past. It was the woman's lib movement that moved women out of the barefoot & pregnant/a man's home is his castle/the man wears the pants in the home. We're equal, not superior or inferior.
You lost me there. If the rape fantasy was a valid line of romance novels aimed at the female audience for several years, I'd say that makes it a legitimate fantasy. Like a parent dreaming about a life without the kids doesn't mean they don't WANT the kids, just they dream about the freedom they'd have not being a parent for a couple minutes out of the day. Although I have met many parents who shouldn't be parents because they gave no more thought to becoming parents than a pair of animals. Basically the rape fantasy line of novels went away because it sent mixed messages to males-that no means yes. This doesn't mean gals can't still fantasize about such scenarios, but they keep it locked away more. However, you might be surprised at the number of gals out there who are into "non-con"(non-consentual) stories. I see more than a few on various boards who like these types of stories.
Isn't there? I thought the whole point was we have to be tested to strengthen our resolve. Of course it's easy not to use drugs in a residential program where hopefully there are none available. Problem is the users have to move out into the real world where temptation exist. Thay have to learn to say no. I can't tell you how stupid of an excuse it is when I ask someone why they tested dirty & they say "I was at a party & they were passing it around". And you can't say no? Lack a spine?
I'm a headbanger. I've never done drugs & I'm a teetotaler. Always blew my in-laws away (many of whom used both). So the answer to your question is why would I allow my life choices to be altered by the music I love to listen to?
Do all of us who listen to Metallica need to be watched to make sure we won't enact any of the violence in their music? You mean everyone who likes the Saw movies is planning similar crimes? I saw Clash of the Titans over the weekend with lots of other Americans. Are we all going to go to war against God now?
Actually the real criminals probably aren't playing games. And the people playing these games would probably never commit a rape, so where's the problem? Most likely these are those stereotypical nerdy otaku who couldn't talk to a real girl if the said "hi" so there most likely isn't any damage cause by these games. Outside of further isolating said otaku so they'll probably never get a real girlfriend. Last edited by CCSYueh on Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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enurtsol
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Much of what GWOtaku cited URL links still hold true in Japan, talking with English-language expats in Japanese forums. Japan is very traditional: like baseball, slow to change.
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CCSYueh
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And creating separate train cars doesn't really address the real problem like a slap to the face or a kick in the crotch would, does it? It's a segregation so as not to offend the sleezebag while offering protection to the victim, but it doesn't empower the victim so there's no reason for it to stop, is there?
The "no one's going to stop me" attitude allows this to continue, not the gropers buying the latest rapelay game. One of the articles commented some actually get satisfaction from the look of disgust from the girl they're groping, so how about she slap him? Others brag they can satisfy the girl just by touching her-again-slap. Even the arrest doesn't seem to always work, so the gals turning rambo on the guys might back them down a few notches. If anything, it seems to me rapelay probably sprang from the gropers. I seem to recall there was supposed to be a rape option in one of the Grand Theft Autos. How many acts of violence against women have we seen in music videos? Our culture often portrays violence as sexy. |
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luisedgarf
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The U.S. defeated Japan in the WWII. Unlike the Asian Middle East societies, Japan (and also Korea) have a senpai/kohai mindset and they consider the U.S. their senpai (or sungbae-nim for the Koreans) because in the Japanese case, the U.S. nuked them and gave Japan their first military defeat in almost 500 years of story, and in the Korean case, because the Americans defeated the Japanese and drive them out from their country. Not to mention, in the Japanese case, the U.S. pays MILLIONS of dollars just to prevent another rise of nationalistic ideas, since the U.S. knows that many Japanese will NEVER, EVER forgive the Americans for destroying their country, nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and turning their country in a giant military Air Base. |
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FlamingPinecone
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CNN: theres a gross heinous thing that we totally hate that is happening and we can bastardize it for page views and media attention thus bringing it to an entirely new audience to said gross heinous thing.
great job breaking it hero. fawhoooosh! |
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maximilianjenus
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and this sis till relevant as an uk tabloid did it again and took takeshi out of context to uch their anti aniem propaganda (and i consider anybody who watches girls und panzer and think it promotes pedophilia to be a pretty disturbed person herself)
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Polycell
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Chicken arise! Arise chicken arise!
I'm pretty sure this is the wrong thread to do it in, but here's a source for his claim anyway. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Locking this up for necroposting.
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