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Yuvelir
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That's capitalism for you! Many hope that part of their subscription will "trickle down" to the animators, directors, sound engineers and etc. One could argue that this happens in the form of more series meaning more contracts for the studios, which means more money for workers... but the saturation point was reached years ago, it only has turned into overworking and "somehow" these overworked people aren't getting paid any extra for it. |
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MushroomMan674
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Things like Detective Conan not being available ANYWHERE in full, legally, is why people pirate, if you ask me. Or even the Interspecies Reviewers situation from a few months back.
I just want the anime industry here to do a better job of making a vast majority of these titles more available. |
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CatSword
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The problem with legal sources is that they go by demand and potential profit, and if there's not enough of both of those, you won't get it. (Or sometimes they just have a tantrum over sex-positive ecchi. Hopefully that was a one-off case.) I find the idea that I'm just not supposed to see something if you're not offering it to me completely ridiculous in 2020, where the entire world is at our fingertips. I've seen how dedicated Detective Conan fans have been over the years trying to get their show picked up legally, but the sheer length of it and the associated cost is what's keeping Crunchyroll and Funimation from offering its full back catalog. (One Piece is the exception, not the rule.) Of course, if Detective Conan would've had a more appropriate start in the US, it could've had more of a chance...but that's a topic for another thread I've probably got into here before. |
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Cutiebunny
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^ Not to mention series like Keroro Gunso, a long running series in the 2000s whose comedy is rife with Japanese cultural references and was too much for US dub companies to handle.
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MushroomMan674
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I only made my point because it's so frustrating to see how Conan is incomplete on two streaming platforms (Netflix and CR) while One Piece, a series with almost as many eps as Conan, is in full. And don't get me wrong, I love OP, and I absolutely agree with the point you made, but still. It's why I feel we get piracy in the first place. Incompleteness. Why even sit on just partially something? |
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Horsefellow
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Physical is the only way to buy things for me as well. Too many streaming services have started deciding to become gatekeepers and censoring and dropping shows and movies. Netflix can censor their Back to the Future movies as much as they want, they can never take away my DVD copies.
To be fair One Piece is still missing quite a few movies/OVAs. It's not all available in America. |
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NJ_
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Most of those movies had releases in multi-film collections in the UK but they're sub-only & DVD-only (I believe in PAL too). But yeah, it is pretty annoying FUNi never went back to getting those nor the first few TV specials, especially when there's a popular one in that bunch with the Baron Omatsuri film. |
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MarshalBanana
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I always stick to torrent sites, I haven't used an illegal streaming site in years outside of maybe as a means to check something out when no/few clips are available on YouTube. As for why I torrent, it's either because the title is not available to stream or buy on home release. And there are an exceedingly huge amount of pre-2010s Anime like that, and even stuff from the 10s is not always available.
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AkumaChef
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I grew up in that age too, and like Actar wrote I can't imagine paying money for something but not owning a permanent copy of it. I think streaming services are fine if you treat them like TV and use them for casual viewing, but if you like the show and you want to watch it again in the future then IMHO there is still nothing better than buying the physical media. That will never disappear unless you choose to be rid of it. No worries about censorship, rights expiring, or it suddenly disappearing from your account or the streaming service's catalog because of some legal spat between the agencies involved. |
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yuna49
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VIZ has been remarkably inconsistent about streaming over the years. As I recall they were using Hulu as their distributor for a while, so like you, I'm surprised they've started streaming their own shows again. Still it's a pretty limited bunch: https://www.viz.com/watch/streaming/watch It appears that it's still impossible to stream Cross Game legally, at least in the US. |
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yeehaw
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If I read manga illegally it's only to check it out, if I like it I stop reading and put it on my list of tankoubon to buy. With anime I only watch illegally if it's not avaiable in Sweden, so mostly Funimation and Amazon exclusives. If it's a show in netflix jail I watch it illegally while it's airing and then when it's out I just turn it on again.
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Kadmos1
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Likewsie, I never understood why Kodansha won't give Funi the streaming, dubbing, and home video rights to Funi for the "Fairy Tail OVA". BTW, I don't follow OP but it is weird that such a popular franchise for Funi is missing those movies/OVAs for official releases. |
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NJ_
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This had a lot to do with Hulu since the main site turned into a pay site in 2016 but offered a free alternative through Yahoo View which had since shut down last year. As for Viz streaming now, the video player is still the same as Hulu so that deal is still on, it is weird though that they don't promote the free streaming on their site (unless I missed it at one point). |
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Guile
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I do not blame anyone who pirates. There's this weird condescending tone among English speaking streaming services, translators, voice actors, and other industry people whenever they get called out for questionable business decisions, marketing, or translations choices. As if the complainers should be grateful they were given the privilege to be talked down to by them and to give them their money. It's so weird they go on to get upset when many people decide to simply pirate and circumvent them entirely. They want their cake and to eat it too.
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TarsTarkas
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Is it really condescending. At the end of the day, whether you agree or not with the finished product, it is better to have something, rather than nothing. You don't have to buy what you don't like, but at least those who still wanted something, they have the choice.
And if what you say is true, perhaps it is because the argument is that the pirated stuff is better, than the stuff they worked on and sweated for. I would think that is a forgivable transgression. |
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