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NEWS: Bandai Channel to Stream Anime in U.S., Eurasia at Start of 2010


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rockman nes



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:11 pm Reply with quote
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I meant Bandai serious catering only those anime fanatics who watch anime online, and not local populaces throughout the rest of the world. Yeah, seriously.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:02 pm Reply with quote
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Is it free?

Are the streams only going to be available directly from Bandai, or will they be on other streaming sites, too?

<...> if anyone is familiar with Bandai's streaming services in Japan, could you answer those first two questions relative to Japan?

Bandai Channel is primarily a rental clearinghouse. The actual money transactions and streaming are handled by affiliate sites, though Bandai has their own self-affiliate in the form of www.dot-anime.com. A dozen or so B-Channel affiliate sites exist.

Most of the B-Channel catalog is paid rental only. The prices vary and there are full-series-at-once package deals, but 100 yen per episode for a few days rental is typical of single episodes. All affiliates but one use streaming, and as noted in the article, the current standard in Japan for net anime (not just B-Channel) is WMV, not Flash. The one non-streaming exception is videx.jp, which provides normal http downloads of WMV files, often slightly higher quality (3Mbps, vs. the 2Mbps and 1Mbps (most common) of other sites). Both the streams and downloads are protected by time-limited Windows Media DRM (wouldn't really work as a rental otherwise).

Some newly-airing TV series are aired on the net through B-Channel for free for one week, moving to paid rental archive after that. Usually these shows are on a one-to-four week delay after the TV broadcast. (Simulcasts like Crunchyroll are virtually non-existent in Japan, though the 12 hour delay on Umineko is not bad. Geass R2 at 7 hours was the fastest I've seen.)

First Gundam itself, as noted in the article, recently started a "one ep per day for free" run. Each episode is available for 24 hours before being replaced with the next one. If you miss a day, you can't see that ep for free, you'll need to rent it for 100 yen.

The main b-ch.com site blocks non-Japanese IP addresses from the video content, which includes the aforementioned free Gundam stream. Many Bandai Channel affiliates do not block foreign access, and I personally watch and rent many shows that way. (I live in the U.S.)

Oddly enough, despite b-ch.com blocking video access, Bandai's own b-ch affiliate site, www.dot-anime.com, does not, so you can rent shows there as well as buy Lantis label download music. (Bandai also has the Lantis catalog on the Japanese iTunes Music Store and recently announced they'd be placing it on the North American iTMS as well.)

Japan doesn't have sites like Crunchyroll or Funimation where entire series are available for free for long periods of time. There are occasional temporary promotions (e.g. right now Episodes 1-19 of Basquash! are free on YouTube) but usually just one ep at a time of new shows are free, and older series are paid-only, often with the first ep free as a sample.

So, the foreign market is accustomed to getting a better deal than the Japanese market. We'll have to see how Bandai deals with that. I'm personally perfectly happy to rent individual shows but I expect a lot of people would express...dissatisfaction...at a rental site in the age of Crunchyroll, so they may go for a CR-like model. Bandai at least has the advantage of being able to use it as a promotional vehicle for their own foreign-market DVDs as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:21 pm Reply with quote
I'm just glad we're getting another chance to see OG Gundam. Hope it doesn't get pulled for low ratings again.
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:23 pm Reply with quote
If it gets Shin Mazinger Z and MS Igloo sequel over here, I'm all for it.

Nice to see Bandai Channel finally coming over.
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:18 pm Reply with quote
bayoab wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
So is that it then? Bandai catering a bunch of anime fanatics by isolating their hobby and interest on the internet? Has their Gundam anime content finally lost their competitiveness in the DVD and Blu-ray market? Is Gundam dead to the rest of the world except in the eyes of its fans?
Gundam as a whole has been dead for years. It's been a basically half-dead franchise in the states since the just after first anime boom. The DVDs haven't been "competitive" for ages. If they were, Bandai would actually be releasing them instead of sitting on them.

DomFortress wrote:
However the issue with streaming quality aside, a sub only anime stream won't make those who isn't an anime fan to watch anime. I've tried, and it doesn't work. Therefore sub-only release of anime won't help the anime fan base to grow beyond its current size, not matter what the content is and how it's distributed. And when there's no growth in fan base, there's no market growth, period.
By that logic, fansubs downloads should not be growing and yet they constantly increase every year. The same is true for streaming media. Clearly you are doing something very wrong here (or are trying with people who refuse foreign media) if you can't convince anyone.
My first point is basically because while the anime fans where helping themselves with the fansubs instead of them waiting for an official release, the rest of the world never heard of Gundam because like you've said, the franchise never strife to venture anywhere else but in its own fan base after the first anime boom. Bandai played the typical waiting game in order for them to capitalize the hype for Gundam, which never came because all they ever did was sitting on their Japanese anime fans and wait.

My second point is that streaming medias with Japanese only audio track won't get people interested in anime, anymore so than people browsing the internet on their own time. There's no real life interactions among the audiences themselves, just like the most stimulation you can get by watching porn on your computer is you masturbating yourself.

GWOtaku wrote:
Good lord. You're missing a staggering number of facts and issues here, so I'll try to explain them.
Is it all that surprising to you that I can manage to not just think like an anime fan, thereby making me an instant majority that's outside of the anime fan base, who are an minority group even in Japan?

rockman nes wrote:
Well aren't you just a swell chap to be with Rolling Eyes
And what will you do to let people who aren't even anime fans to watch anime? Not care?
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GWOtaku



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:30 pm Reply with quote
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Is it all that surprising to you that I can manage to not just think like an anime fan, thereby making me an instant majority that's outside of the anime fan base, who are an minority group even in Japan?


Yes, fair point. You did a great job ignoring facts and logic the way that far too many "normal" people tend to do. Apparently you would rather assert your supposedly superior objectivity and reasoning instead of demonstrating it by giving me a real reply. Address the arguments or don't waste our time, although so far I'm not optimistic that you aren't just here to troll people.

While you're at it, assuming that you bother, two questions. First: By the way, how do you think the anime fanbase grew in America? People were watching subtitles on VHS tapes once upon a time. But you argue that subtitles never, ever grow a fanbase based on nothing but your own personal experience.

Second: What would you rather see them do to market the "right" way? In your ideal world, what gets done? And is this incompatible with that, or can you at least acknowledge that this is generally a good thing?
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:59 pm Reply with quote
GWOtaku wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
Is it all that surprising to you that I can manage to not just think like an anime fan, thereby making me an instant majority that's outside of the anime fan base, who are an minority group even in Japan?


Yes, fair point. You're doing a great job ignoring facts and logic the way that far too many "normal" people tend to do.

Apparently you would rather assert your supposedly superior objectivity and reasoning instead of demonstrating it. Address the arguments or don't waste our time.
Therefore if I do your thinking for you, you'll shut up then?

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1. Bandai Entertainment has said that they're negotiating to get Gundam 00 and Code Geass out on Blu-Ray. So, there's the answer to your "is Gundam dead in disc format???" question.
That means only the latest anime series deserve the Blu-ray treatment from Bandai, even when they're not that good.

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2. The U.S. has gotten a DVD release for the Mobile Suit Gundam TV series in English only. It was also released in singles and has yet to be packaged up in an affordable box set. So actually, if the U.S. and Europe get classic Gundam subbed, a lot of people will be very happy with that.
Is that a lot of English-speaking people by a majority, or just anime fans who prefer voice acting of a foreign language?

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3. You're trying to use anecdotal evidence to prove that online streaming is doomed to failure as a business model? Really? That's not very convincing.
Show me someone who can convince another person using the internet without them actually knew each other in real life, and I'll show you two people who don't get out much.

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4. Several Gundam anime have not seen a DVD release at all, even in the United States, the most significant one to me being Turn A Gundam. If any of them are streamed and response is good enough, that might demonstrate that there's a market for them. The worst case scenario is that fans get a legal, easy way to see them.
So Bandai's best effort at managing their contents online, is the worst case scenario that a Gundam fan like yourself can ever hope for. That's you putting a lot of faith into Bandai wasting everyone's time.

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5. This will not be limited to old series. They've already said before that the upcoming Gundam Unicorn was getting a worldwide release, which happens to fit this news very well.
Did I sound like I care for what's new from the Gundam franchise to you, when what's new in the Gundam franchise from Bandai doesn't automatically means it's gonna be good?

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6. As you can see here, the ten languages already include English, French, and German in addition to the native Japanese. Those are all major, and there are six left to be announced. Not only are ten different translations extremely high for an anime, but it's for a simultaneous release on top of that.
Do they also come with localization like official language dubs, or is this strictly anime fans' only due to the sub-only treatment? Words alone don't carry human emotions, especially when Japanese aren't known for being emotional.

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You called that the "least amount of language support as possible," which is a fantastic and completely ridiculous thing to believe.
You can read my words in this post, but you can't tell my emotional state when I wrote this reply. That's the single weakness of all text based communications, and subbed only anime is no exception.

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While you're at it, assuming that you bother, two questions. First: By the way, how do you think the anime fanbase grew in America? People were watching subtitles on VHS tapes once upon a time. But you argue that subtitles never, ever grow a fanbase based on nothing but your own personal experience.

Second: What would you rather see them do to market the "right" way? In your ideal world, what gets done? And is this incompatible with that, or can you at least acknowledge that this is generally a good thing?
Your first answer is simple; because we ended up doing things together while we're watching subbed anime on VHS in real time.

I want Bandai to put more care into their contents by putting some real effort in post productions, not just treat them like some internet rental peep shows. The rest is all up to the fans on how they interact with the said contents. If they don't facilitate interactions among people outside of the fan base with the medias, then that's their lost.
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Sam Murai



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:22 pm Reply with quote
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According to ITpro, Bandai Channel is working on a new video distribution system which allows for centralized content management. It plans to roll out the system in Japan in October, followed by America, Europe, and Asia at the beginning of next year.
So it has finally come to this; Bandai will capitalize their Gundam franchise by centralizing the online distribution of the Gundam anime series.

Not only that, they'll do so with the least amount of language support as possible via sub only of 10 languages, while at the same time switching over content distribution of Gundam through online distribution, to anime fans around the world who prefer watching anime online.

So is that it then? Bandai catering a bunch of anime fanatics by isolating their hobby and interest on the internet? Has their Gundam anime content finally lost their competitiveness in the DVD and Blu-ray market? Is Gundam dead to the rest of the world except in the eyes of its fans?


Or...maybe them starting off with MSG is a way of both celebrating its anniversary and to kick off B-Ch's global coverage with a bit of anime history?

Yeesh, not to sound rude, but you really took a big jump there, reading far more into this than necessary. Nowhere did Bandai insinuate that they are going online-only with their products, and honesty, that would be a foolish venture. Despite the market, discs are still the major focal point of distribution and will be for some time. Digital distro, while I strongly support it, is another means and not the end one.

Having a service like this or any other form of video-on-demand is a great complement to and method in obtaining more revenue and getting more attention to titles. Other entertainment businesses have been doing the same thing for much longer than the anime companies have and none of them have eschewed discs for non-physical media in some grand exodus. The amount of worrying and hand-wringing is overdone.

And having "only ten" subtitles is a disappointment? That's more than one could ever expect of any streaming site to support and is a very encouraging sign for how inclusive they want their service to be (it was already so when such hints were dropped a few months ago). And since you seem to be concerned about Gundam, you should see that as great news, since it will open more eyes to it and help garner more revenue for discs sold outside Japan.

Going online-only, even in this environment, will only get you so far. They still need cash coming in from as many places as possible, so cutting off your disc production altogether (while it's still bring in money) would be a bad business move, to say the least. That's not happening any time soon, if ever. It's great to see B-Ch expanding and the move should help, and not hurt, that side of things.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:29 pm Reply with quote
Sam Murai wrote:
Yeesh, not to sound rude, but you really took a big jump there, reading far more into this than necessary.
Then can we get moving? For I was so over and done with that after explaining myself the last time I was here.
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I was expecting a whole bunch of 'hurrah for worldwide streaming for once' comments. I guess people will always find something to complain about
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:30 am Reply with quote
While it's quite understable that Bandai want to sell their product overseas, and reaching millions of people, it also means "to hell with local distribution". I mean, why would you spend milions of yens/euros/dollars/etc. into licensing something if they are going to show it in an official, legal way for free (sorta)?

So, even as a fan I can rejoice of Bandai decision, as a professional, that are not really good news, because Bandai is not paying me for being a fan, so...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:47 am Reply with quote
You know, I had the nagging feeling that there was going to be someone who would decide to take issue and complain about this news. Lame.
This sounds like good news, because European fans have been saying for a long time that they're being left out of the loop as far as free streams online are concerned. It's good that these fans are now getting a chance to watch anime online, for free, and 100% legally. Let's hope this catches on with other companies.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:53 am Reply with quote
Quark wrote:
You know, I had the nagging feeling that there was going to be someone who would decide to take issue and complain about this news. Lame.
This sounds like good news, because European fans have been saying for a long time that they're being left out of the loop as far as free streams online are concerned. It's good that these fans are now getting a chance to watch anime online, for free, and 100% legally. Let's hope this catches on with other companies.


Who said it would be free?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:02 am Reply with quote
Desperate move by a company on the cusp of collapse?

I love how it doesn't specify if America, means North America, or the United States Of America (considering the News Title, I suspect it'll be the later). So, once again Bandai flips the bird to Canada?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:33 am Reply with quote
Thus, Bandai starts to get serious about the emerging online streaming anime market. *looks at Crunchyroll*
(time for someone to get their thumbs out their -blank- and start trying to license some far more desirable content, again) *looks at Crunchyroll, again*

I'm a big fan of legal online streaming anime, even if it does come at the cost of less DVD releases and region/language support.
-I, much like DomFortress, feel that moving into digital distribution of sub-only content will not significantly help to expand the anime fanbase.
-However, I do think that it will do a lot to reclaim the millions of illegal fansub and pirated anime users as paying customers, as well as, their close fan acquaintances whom they first exposed to anime through their illegal fansub and pirated video distribution sources.
-Dub streams, and other such things, could always be added to the mix, to aid in expanding the fanbase, once the ball gets rolling.

Revenue gained from advertising, DTO, and premium membership fees has the potential to save what more and more people agree is an industry being strangled by illegal fansub and pirated video distribution.
There are countless media and social sites, that don't even posses a fraction of the amount of media content Bandai Channel has access to, who's ad revenue dwarfs Bandai's total revenue several times over.... to an insane degree. (I speak out of my backside in the previous sentence, but you get my point)
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