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Firefly251
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so how will child anatomy drawling work? someone has to draw them and doign so would be a crime and they'd be a pedo :rollseyes:
I have nothing for R/XXX rated loli crap, but I could easily see a rule liek this abused anytime someone dislikes how a young character is portrayed. (especially in some of the more violent manga) |
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bakauchuujin
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All these ban loli rules they want to make just seem really stupid since they have nothing backing up the idea that loli content causes more exploitation of real children. One thing I would like to add though to this is what do they consider a bannable loli. My impression of the situation is that people who aren't into anime considers way more characters to be within the loli categori than those who like anime, probably due to facial features such as big eyes and lack of wrinckles. I think that if anti loli rules are actually put in place it won't just effect obvious loli characters like Shinobu but also any character who looks like they are under 18. Considering how much could be affected I think these laws could harm way more than most think if implemented. A problem though is that when trying to argue against these bans on places where there are non anime fans, people generally just gets called a pedo regardless of their arguments. Like getting called a pedo because you think the censorship of bellybuttons of adult looking anime characters on PS4 for 17+ rated games is stupid.
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capt_bunny
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The UN seems to have a lot of time on their hands to keep pushing this when there's anyday to get rid of all of the crimes, wars, and other countries to focus on such as N.Korea and Venezuela. But they decide to push and have all of their time mostly on this? I.... ?????What????
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Deadwing
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This is no different from the outrage over violent video games. Violent video games are not "murder simulators" and do not cause people to commit acts of violence, and loli/shota manga does not cause people to go out and molest kids. The production of these works causes no harm to anyone. Unless someone is actually getting injured or abused, then no crime is being committed. To suggest that a drawing is the exact same as actual child pornography is absolutely farcical.
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Sahmbahdeh
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The UN has long been a magnet for 3rd world sycophants anyway, but thanks for reminding everyone that no one should take them seriously. It is sad, though.
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EleutheroMaster
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I think Japan (and other nations with common sense to properly know the difference between fantasy and reality should unconditionally withdraw from the UN.
Then and only then, the UN themselves will have time to come to their senses. |
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johnnysasaki
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Meanwhile, the wonderful shariah law will make being gay punishable by death in Brunei starting in April. Now which one causes more harm?
Watch out: You may be islamophobic if you complain too much... |
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BadNewsBlues
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No worse than calling Israel out for killing civilians and building settlements on disputed land and being called anti semitic and anti israel in return. |
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Galap
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Let's stay on topic.
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SilverTalon01
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This is what happens when you let the countries allowing real human rights abuses onto the human rights council. Of course they're going to feed everyone a garbage can full of deflection to get attention onto issues which don't matter at all.
I don't really care what Japan or the US decides to go as far as this goes, but "think of the non existent children" while some of the counties on the council get away with what they're doing is disgusting. |
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Show me a country that doesn't allow any human rights abuses at all. |
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SilverTalon01
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The problem isn't that the countries aren't flawless. The problem is that they're intentionally overlooking the serious types of violations their own countries are committing because trying to address those types of violations would only draw attention to themselves. They're literally trying to distract people from murder by going "hey look, naked cartoon girls." There is nothing wrong at all with a country without a perfect past trying to better themselves. As you said, no country is perfect in that regard. However, this isn't about the countries actively committing human rights violations trying to improve human rights issues in their countries. It is deflection. |
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Juno016
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As a consumer of erotic manga and doujinshi, but also a huge fan of science and research, I don't think I've really seen any in-depth studies (especially peer-reviewed) that studied the effects of fictional sex crime in media on actual sex crime. I've seen stuff for violence that usually indicates short bursts of aggression in selective people, but no long-term effects. I would assume the same goes for sex crimes, but you could also hypothesize that specific fetishes foster due to mere exposure, unlike violence. My curiosity is peaked... but something tells me that would be hard to do with fair methodology. Studies on pedophilia are often missing an entire group of hypothetical people who are likely closet pedophiles with little to no desire to harm children (and who know better than to think it's okay to start a relationship with one), much like we learned about how gay and trans people, shunned in society, just never spoke up or explored their seemingly uncommon thoughts. We have plenty of data on convicted child molesters, but at least a good chunk of those results suggested that child molestation doesn't depend solely on pedophilic desires (many convicted child molesters were tested for pedophilic tendencies, and a good portion were found to not have pedophilia). People seem understandably afraid to tread down this particular rabbit hole, even if it means learning more and preventing real child molestation from taking place.
I rant about this mostly because of the U.N.'s explanation suggests they believe exposure to erotic fiction can encourage real criminal activity, but I've yet to see any study demonstrate one way or the other yet. Until that happens (and it really should--the sooner, the better), I don't like the idea of placing presumptive proposals on the board. Even U.S. law has issues tackling this. There are too many variables to consider and the Miller test is hardly ideal. Also, I just really want to know where I should stand. I consume some strange erotic art and I also draw my own. It can get really, really weird sometimes. But I would never imitate the things I draw in real life. Not even if given a legal option. It goes against my entire being. So sure, I trust myself, but I've seen people into the same stuff say some pretty messed up things. That's where I worry there could be some merit. But... correlation =/= causation. If you go to a loli erotica community and see a lot of creeps, it could be that creepy child predators are simply coagulating in a spot open to their fetishes, not that exposure to the fetishes make more people into child predators. It's... complicated. I'm tired. |
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louis6578
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I'm glad everyone here seems to agree. Hentai of child characters are harmless. They are lines and cells that our minds interpret as children, not real victims of sexual acts. If that's how some people get their jollies, it's perfectly acceptable. Hell, kinks say nothing about one's character. It's possible to be attracted to anime children without being attracted to real children.
That being said, unless there's some finer detail to these proposed laws that they haven't stated yet, it feels like they're grasping at straws to have some political/moral high ground. |
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TarsTarkas
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I don't think we can be too dismissive of the UN. We should take the UN's threat more seriously. It is not that they don't have the power to compel nations to their more restrictive view, but rather they can influence things over a larger time span to their way of thinking.
I also wouldn't be resting on the laurels of the First Amendment. In today's culture the First Amendment only means the things that I like to most Americans. Not to mention our State and Federal governments always like to interpret the laws in a way that favors them, not you. You can laugh now about the UN, but they will just continue to plow ahead, and gradually get their way in the end. |
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