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ConanSan
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Actauly manga companies have been reather crapy as of late in seeing where thier series are going and editing practices.
Lets take Moon Phase (gag) as an example; volume 4 had a scene where one female chracter was gaged and beaten up rather extensively and Tokyopop edited it. Only, they kept her being beaten and her hanging by her arms with a ball gag on and only erased a nipple that was exposed. I believe Cannon God Exaxion had issues too, though Dark Horse came out and said as much and they admitted the stuff had came out long after licenceing. In this new competitve market, companies need to be careful about what they're playing at or they'll get Future Dicked and in turn dick all the customers who bought thier crap.
Though she did say the emotional equvilant of "Honestly" a lot in the tv series ("Moh" i think it was prounced, it's often fansubt ranslated as "Geez" or quvialnt) |
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loka
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people may speak ill of the cosplayers of 'tired' internet memes, but i believe there are still a lot of con-goers out there that enjoy it.
a chucknorris or pedobear walks by -- generally they elicit a good chuckle to a friend. in the larger culture, it is still an in-joke. zack's explanation of why people cosplay those things is dead-on, but i cant accept any of the arguments as to why those people shouldnt do it. |
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Cowboy Cadenza
Posts: 243 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY |
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What the hell is with you and putting words in people's mouths? Where the hell did I ever equate that with women getting whipped for being rape victims? Nami merely takes advantage of her surroundings. I don't know another person who regularly watches One Piece that would ever tell you that Nami is a weak-willed subservient woman. You just seem to be picking a fight for the hell of it, so whatever. That's all. |
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nargun
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Not only: he did it by posting his personal opinions on what someone else wrote, which is evidently verboten unless the "someone else" is Zac. The endless parade of "You can't say bad things about X!! That's censorship, censorship is wrong!! I'll stop you I will!!" is probably the most amusing part of this whole affair. As well as the most tragic, but life wasn't meant to be easy. |
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fighterholic
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If there is something I have to say about one of the reprinted letters it would be the KnJ one. I have read the first two volumes of the series and though everybody might attack Zac for whatever shit went down a while ago, I have to agree with what has been said against this series, though I 100% come out to say that it is not porn. Like it has been stated however, this series I think would have been a little too racy for us here, or at least those who don't understand the moe culture all that well as otaku. I got some of the jokes in there but couldn't understand the others because I just couldn't see what the author was trying to get at, even then the series is at best staying in Japan for a while longer.
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ikillchicken
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Yeah. Are these jokes tired and outdated? Well, maybe a lot of people think so. However a lot of people obviously also do not. Think about it: For every one guy who actually dresses up as one of these things and therefore must think its funny, logically there must be multiple people who also think its funny but did not dress up. |
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Vir
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Precisely. Seven Seas should have have checked what they were buying, and anime and manga in North America in general may have avoided a rather sticky situation here: Who knows what political action groups might have picked up this title and used it to hurt the fans and importers in general? People tend to think of the usual suspects in terms of parent groups or religious people, but there are also child protection groups and even industry competitors etc. who might have picked this up - and there are always journalists out there looking for a sensation. It's bad enough that the Canadian police is equating anime with porn. We don't need anime and manga to be equated with "pedophilia". On the issue of fan art, I'm greatly amused by fan artists who try to restrict redistribution of their art which is in itself an unauthorized derivative of somebody else's work, with raging emotions. 
It is, however, extra important that proper credit is given when distributing - or making further derivatives - of fan art, since it's not as well known as the published and famous artists out there. It just makes me sad when somebody on a video site takes an anime music video somebody else made, replaces the music, and removes the credit, claiming that they made it themselves in order to impress their online friends - or take somebody's wallpaper and replace the credit on it. (On wallpapers, I actually do miss that wallpaper makers figure out who did the original character drawing and give them proper credit. It's not a given that just because some Gainax copyrighted art was used in the making of an Evangelion wallpaper, it was necessarily drawn by Sadamoto. Lots of other artists have drawn official art for Gainax.) EDIT NOTE: I forgot: If the "fan art" is a work of parody or criticism, it can actually be defended under fair use, and if that holds then the artist would retain FULL rights to the work - including the right to limit distribution. As for the WGA, they can strike until the movie industry re-locates to Texas and Vancouver. 
(In seriousness, I think they have a good point about residuals and animation but not about expanding their clammy fingers to "reality TV".) Last edited by Vir on Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Cowboy Cadenza
Posts: 243 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY |
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All Your Base Are Belong to Us and the O RLY owl, among other things, have been around since I became an anime fan 4-5 years ago, and were around for who knows how long before then. I don't really care what people cosplay as. But I also think it doesn't take a comedic genius to recognize that, yeah, these jokes are tired and worn out. |
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Hon'ya-chan
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Thank you for reminding me of that argument I had with a Law Student over the DMCA and Furries. Worse 30 minutes of my life. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Yeah...way to miss the point entirely. Yes, the majority of people out there find them tired and worn out. But obviously those who are dressing up disagree. There are plenty of people who do this or we wouldn't even be talking about them. Also clearly if X number of people did cosplay like this, its highly unlikely that it is only X number of people that find that funny. More likely an exponentially larger number do, but only a fraction actually cosplayed. My point is that while they may be making a joke that a lot of people find tired and worn out, a significant group does still find it funny. They aren't exactly some lone idiot making a joke nobody else thinks is funny. |
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Vir
Posts: 33 Location: Central European |
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Hah. I hear that a lot of furry art is original work, though, so in those cases the artist actually has the right on his/her side. (Though there probably is furry fan art as well.) |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Wow. This is incredibly awful to me - I never, ever meant to "compare" the two in terms of content. My only point - and I mean my ONLY point in even bringing up hardcore yaoi was that none of the myriad volumes of it that can be found right next to the Naruto section had yet managed to attract the overprotective mothers of the world who wanted to shield their children from such things on a shelf chock full of stuff aimed at a young audience. I was talking about the potential for controversy, not comparing content. Attitudes about homosexuality aside, my basic point was that the shrinkwrapped yaoi being alongside all the other manga is a bit like shelving the hardcore gay porn right next to the Harry Potter section, which even with America being as (potentially) progressive as it is, would raise the ire of many parents. It's basically asking for controversy, and yet none has come. So I was saying that I'm not sure that the people who would stir up such controversy are even paying attention, so I didn't think anyone would even notice Nymphet. I really, REALLY hate it when people try and equate lolicon and homosexuality - the former is a fetish, the latter is not. In hindsight I should've picked a different genre due to the sensitive nature of the issue, and my point was badly confused here. I hope I've cleared it up. Sorry for the clip show column this week, folks. All will be back to normal next time. |
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The Human Spider
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I didn't know that scene was edited. Does anyone know if there was any editing in the scene(I think it was in vol.6) where Elfriede imagines that Kohei raped Hazuki? I was suprised seeing it appear as it was. Now that KODOMO NO JIKAN is becoming one of my favorite shows, I wish more than ever that the manga version was being released here. The only real problem I have with the show is the extensive dialogue censoring--while I can get a general idea of what is being said, I usually have no idea what the specific jokes are. Rin reminds me a lot of Shinchan(from CRAYON SHINCHAN), both with their flashing, dirty mouths/minds and inappropriate come-ons to adults, though I think Shin is a lot worse because it seems to me that Rin acts out of misguided love because she's just desperate for attention and affection(looking at her background episodes her behavior would make a lot of sense to followers of American pop-psychology) , while Shin is just a genuine pervert. And the OP/ED themes totally rock. |
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eviltimes
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Kusanagi Motoko
Yoko Kanno Lolicon = kiddie porn = death penalty Life can be simple at times! |
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Mohawk52
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I'm still playing "Noir" whilst driving in my car, and have added the OST from "Petite Cossette" as well. For me it never grows old. I do, but it hasn't yet.
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