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Kagemusha
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Now that I think about it I rememver flipping through a pamphlet about five year back. Its crazy how many obscure things Viz released that have been lost to time.
Are you serious? That would be terrible. Historie is absolutely incredible. A recent review compares it to one of Gore Vidal's historical novels, and given Iwaaki's mastery of detail driven storytelling I have to agree. It was definitely the first thing to pop in my mind when I read the topic heading. Times of Botchan is one of the more underrated titles available in English, historical or not, but I can understand why more people aren't reading it (aside from the fact that they're fairly rare). It really fits the "boring historical literature" mold that a lot of people have of this kind of fiction. There's little plot to speak of and most of its "action" comes from character interactions and its exploration of Meiji-era Japan. I'll admit that it is pretty dry at times but the writing, character development and art are second to none. And of course you have one of the all-time classics: Lone Wolf and Cub. Though initially episodic tales it eventually develops into a grand epic of honor and vengeance. Fans of feudal Japan will be in heaven. Same goes for the more recent Samurai Executioner, though it isn't nearly as grand in scope as LW&C. Vagabond is another top-notch manga that could be classified as historical, but it takes a much more personal approach to the genre and lacks LW&C's exploration of the era's social structure. Same goes for Blade of the Immortal. It's an excellent revenge saga no doubt but you could have probably set it in any country without altering too many major plot points. As for the Berserk debate, I mostly agree with dormcat. Miura has done a lot of things that I really like (adding humor, fleshing-out his world) but at the moment he is starting to loose grip on his narrative. It has to be expected of a manga that long and I don't think its too problematic (nothing that should keep anyone from reading it) but it is annoying. |
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Pityless/Envy
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Was there an announcement in Afternoon, or are you just speculating? It seems to be fairly well received in Japan. The only reason I can think of for them canceling it is because of how long it takes for him to release chapters, which has gone from monthly to bi-monthly. |
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Highway Star
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I've been meaning to get that for a while now... I recently bought Town of Evening Calm, Country of Cherry Blossom, since I've been hearing good things about it. Haven't read it just yet, but I like the loose artwork... |
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HellKorn
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Initially I thought to include that one... but then reconsidered since it's sort of a superhero tale set amidst a relatively well-researched setting. That, and, well, Koike's stuff is kind of hard to take seriously as a whole.
I keep seeing this complaint but still don't see it. It's a vague criticism that I'd like to see backed-up on so I can at least see where one might be coming from. I also wouldn't hope that you would be thinking less of Berserk by reading it a chapter or so at a time, would you? Because that is the worst possible way to read a developing epic like that, particularly a series that doesn't think in terms of chapters much more. Finally, reading it a volume at a time after speeding through earlier volumes does not really help one's perception of a piece. I can't really account for dormcat's experience, but much (most?) of the English fandom of Berserk has come together after reading through a more than a couple dozen volumes of it practically in one go, then coming to a grinding halt by waiting for another chapter, never mind a volume, to come out after an extended period of time. You forget information that Miura has previously put forth and also lose the general momentum from feeding on numerous volumes worth of material compared to stagnant waiting periods in-between a story that is concerned with the big picture. Miura has always had a handle on the narrative, pushing it in new directions but staying thematically consistent the whole way through. Some of of the most important plot and character developments of the series have happened in the recent volumes, and are pushing it forward into the epic that is needs to be. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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I said "might" didn't I? The "first arc" ended this January; that was a fact and a very bad sign. Few titles can resume serializing after this sort of announcement. |
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Pityless/Envy
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I might be wrong but I've seen raws for two chapter that were released in March and April respectively. They might be fake, but I've not been able to confirm that yet. Just out of curiosity, do you have a subscription to the magazine? |
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tenkado-shujin
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Speaking of Oda Nobunaga, other manga artists than Ikegami have also drawn manga about Nobunaga. For example, Yokoyama 'Tetsujin' Mitsuteru drew Oda Nobunaga, which is based upon a historical novel by Yamaoka Sōhachi. Also Kojima Gōseki, who had drawn Lone Wolf and Cub, drew Shinchōkōki, which is based on a biography of Nobunaga written by Ōta Gyūichi. Nagate Yuka drew Tenka Fubu Nobunaga. Hirata Hiroshi, whose works were Mishima Yukio's favourite gekiga, draws Shinchōkōki, too.
Nobunaga also appeared in Hyouge Mono by Yamada Yoshihiro.
うーん、原書でフツーに讀んでゐる者からすると、別段羨ましくはないですねえ。 |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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I don't know about the March issue, but I own the April issue and it does not have Historie for sure.
No, I buy sporadically. While I can afford the subscription, I can't afford the space to store them (each issue is over 1000 pages thick), and I'm not the kind of person who throw books (manga magazine included) away. |
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lijakaca
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Lady Victorian is another one, it's fun although not very historically accurate. Princess Comics, by Moto Naoko. 20 volumes, I think it might be finished now. Other historical series I haven't seen mentioned: One of the titans of shoujo, Royal Emblem (Ouke no Monshou). Girl (blond American archaeologist) gets sent back to ancient Egypt where she's pursued/captured/desired/hated by all the leading rulers of the region. Something like 70 volumes and still going. Barely any historical accuracy here either. Hiou Shirabyoushi - interesting tale of a young noblewoman in Heian Japan who is secretly an assassin for her adoptive father. In public, she's betrothed to the unknowing Captain of the Guard (or Police Force, can't remember which), in private she tries to keep him from finding out her secret identity while she takes out corrupt politicians. 12 volumes, Hana to Yume Comics. Kouya na Tenshidomo - set in the Wild West, a story about 4 orphans - 3 young men and a girl - who help the female owner of a ranch against a corrupt local businessman who's in league with criminals. 3 volumes, Hikawa Kyouko. No Jesse James or Billy the Kid! |
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tenkado-shujin
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Afternoon carries the second arc of Historiē now. |
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dormcat
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June issue that released today? That would be a great news. 
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tenkado-shujin
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The second arc of Historiē started serialisation from the March issue. The June issue carries Chapter 46. The June issue also has an advertising manga for the Historiē tankōbon on page 318. 休載多くても氣長に待て。文化が違ふんだ |
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dormcat
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I'm not sure what you were trying to say. Were you referring to the serialization of Afternoon or the entire industry in general? |
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tenkado-shujin
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Well, '休載多くても氣長に待て。文化が違ふんだ' is a phrase that readers of Historiē half-jokingly use, talking about the serialisation of the manga. It is based upon '文化が違ふ！', which is the catch-phrase of Historiē's protagonist. He also says it in Chapter 46, which I have mentioned. '文化の違ひ' is used humorously by other people, too. For example,
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dormcat
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Thanks for the explanation. I read the licensed version so I didn't get the catchphrase. |
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